psychadellic commune

Well in reality, Rygoody never claimed to be a shaman, nor did he claim to be a spiritual leader, nor did he claim to have the wisdom with which to give guidance. If anything, he started this thread looking for someone else who can provide this sort of scenario. And really, plastic shaman? wow. Because there is only one type of shaman on this planet and all other shamans follow that code? Hmmmm.....A healer has the ability to heal due to the will power and faith in the healing they posess alone. This has nothing to do with where your from, how old you are, or what set of tribal rules you follow. Every human being has the potential within them to heal, it only takes dedication and will power to unlock this ability.
Second of all, since when are magic mushrooms considered poisonous? Last time I checked, a poison was a substance that when ingested into the body, shuts down the operation of the body and mind, causes illness, and eventually kills the person. It is physically impossible to eat enough magic mushrooms in order for them to turn toxic and kill you. Magic mushrooms are poisonous in the same manner that water is, in that taken in an extremley exsessive amount will kill you. And last time I checked on water, human beings needed it in order to continue providing the body as a host to the consciousness.
And third, psychedelic drugs cause psychedelic trips but for certain people, they unlock a part of their mind that never goes away and they live with a deeper perception of reality and this can be considered psychedelic and does not take any drugs to keep it going.
And for someone who claims that this is none of their business, you sure have some strong opinions about someone you obviously know very little about.
Psychedelics may not be purely spiritual and may be all about getting fucked up to you and in your experience, but that doesnt make it the case for everyone of us Barhuchon. Personally, I've taken magic mushrooms many, many times without the intention of getting fucked up and having fun but rather to further my connection with God during meditation, trascneding my consciousness, and ended up having the mental shit beat out of me quite literally. And in my opinion, that is not exactly fun and is in fact the complete opposite purpose for which one ingests a drug.
Im not saying you cant call it as you see it, but your putting a limitation on someone's potential based off of a few short posts and turning his dream into a nightmare and you may not see this in the same light as he does, in fact I dont see it either, but your obvious insinuation calling him out on false spiritual robbery for personal gain is a tad insulting and most definitley unnecessary.

 

First thing, who the fuck ever said that poison will necessary kill you?!? And please, don't tell me -THIS SHIT- is good for your body, you don't have that kind of reaction for nothing. You know why you hallucinate, because your system is fighting, and it's getting fucking weak, the same fucking shit you could get with lack of sleep and food on a long period.

Don't get me wrong, everything is possible when you are high on psychedelic, so yeah you could get into something spiritual like I did sometimes, but if you are logic for a moment, you should know this feeling doesn't come from you but from a illicit substance. You don't have a fucking word on that, it's just a fucking chemical reaction, no mather what you believe.

Second thing, you don't have to claim to be a shaman to try to sound like, you gotta read between the lines if you wanna know what the fuck this shit is about. You know I don't like it when people are trying to play with words. So tell me why the fuck he is actually telling us he uses the way the shamans do. And by the way, I said I know he's not trying to be a gur, but still... it's not a 21 crazy drug addict that is going to tell me THAT is being a sage, or a wise elder. So if you read carefully the definition of plastic shaman with some logic in mind, you'll probably will get what I was saying.

"who actually have no genuine connection to the traditions they claim to represent."

There's probably not one "kind" of shaman like you say... But one thing I do know, it's an ancestral practice that isn't done the way, our dear Rygoody, a 21 years old, americain, magic mushrooms eater, like to do.

Eating magic mushrooms doesn't make you a healer. Oh please... shut up, and don't tell me about tribal rules, for god's sake, you are americain. Get a schizophrenia diagnosis.

You need some doses of reality, not shrooms, boy. You might like to hear that shrooms will change your boring life, but in the end, it's just a chemical reaction that doesn't happens without a reason. Grow a little bit, we aren't in -1000 yrs before J.C. Your perception isn't necessery the reality, you first gotta know that in life in order to deal with anything.

If someone's potential and dreams is about eating magic mushrooms in group in the middle of nowhere, hell yeah I hope I could put limitation on that so the guy could wake up before he dies.

Boy, this forum is the community forum, not the personal life forum or whatever. If you knew only 2 cents about what it feels like living off your own you would shut your fucking mouth and get the job done, boy. I don't give a flyin' fuck if the guy wanna eat shrooms at his parents' place and medidate while someone else is bringing the bread on the table, but don't DREAM that you could do what he's telling us what he wants to, there's only one scenario to this, death.

This shit will beat you down, it gets you weak and if you live off the earth, you never eat like city people, and you don't have water whenever you want it. Just for that, it would be stupid. Than some more complicated stuff comes with the faq that it deals with human beings.

Stop speaking with ideas without experiences (and something else than some camping) ...and please... don't argue on that, if you would have lived like that, you wouldn't be telling this.

And actually, I'm not trying to break his dreams, I hope it stays as a dream, before HE turns it into a nightmare, not me.

 

i've met both kinds of shamans and neither of them ate mushrooms to have a spiritual experience. in native communities there are people that eat mushrooms along with their spiritual practice but this is totally frowned upon. traditional shamans don't use 'anything' to reach the spiritual plane.

 

I refuse to reply to the rest of your post because of the tone you've taken that reminds me of a frustrated child, but I highlighted this sentence of yours because Id like you to name one thing that exists in this universe that is not essentially a chemical reaction. I dont have a word on that? You must know me better than myself Barbuchon. I have no respect for someone who is going to get so uptight and feel the need to swear at someone to prove a point so the rest of your post can speak for itself.
Peace kid, and calm down.

 

This has gotten so off track it is crazy. What I will point out is this.

HHB, Dill, and Blinken have built their own homesteads or communes. Ry, has not.

The criticizing has gone back and forth about topics I don't have a desire to weigh in on... but as someone who is looking to build their own homestead I can say with relative certainty that there is a large disconnect in this thread between the REALITY of a commune, and self-sustaining living practices and the ROMANTICIZED IDEAL of a commune.

You've had three people weigh in with legitimate experience and success, all of them have the same opinion. That means something.

Ry, if you want it to happen go try to make it happen. But it sounds to me like you're very naive and have no clue how much work it is to keep something like a commune alive and self sustaining... let alone off the governments radar with your PSYCHEDELIC idea.

Hopefully you never get audited when reporting your income, otherwise you'll have a lot of things to hide.

 

Agreed floydian. I dont see it working myself, which I pointed out twice in this thread. I would not desire to live in a commune that was based around psychedelic drug use because I know first hand how out of control any situation can get when this is the crux of people's coming together. The other points I defended him on have nothing to do with the point of this thread and I apologize to everyone for adding the fuel to that fire. I hope you guys can look past my low reaction by arguing and forgive me.
Namaste -

 

No worries relayer sometimes you gotta lay it out for people

 

I really don’t think that rygoody dream is that messed up and I don’t think he is going to die I think some of you guys are blowing it way out of proportion.
It is not much more unrealistic then a lot of commune dreams, people want to build perma culture gardens at 10,000 feet in the Rocky Mountains, make a living from selling goat milk and candles, build hoses out of straw that fall down before the roof is on.
Like dilliaf was saying not many communes make it past a few years I would say the percentage is in the single digits. It is hard to say what will make it and what won’t I’ve seen people with lofty spaced out unrealistic ideas adapt come together and make it work and I’ve seen people with lots of money realistic plains call it quits and abandon it. A lot of people started out with the dream of dropping out doing lots of psychedelics and living free it is called being a Hippy..
Go to a few places like Northern California and you will see a lot of thriving hippies doing lots of psychedelics living off the grid.

When I was 16 that was my dream do drop out, live free and do lots of psychedelics everyone said you cant do that you need a job, money, food, ect blablabla. I went and lived on the coast with the hippies and did psychedelics for a couple of years and it was some of the best days of my life..
After a while I decided I wanted more out of life so I started looking into sustainable living techniques.
It is all an experiment and more then 90% percent of them fail so why put down someone’s dream?
Dreams run their course, fail, fissile out, turn into new dreams.
It is called life. live it to the fullest go explore your dreams.

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wow.Barbuchon. You say I need a dose of reality. But you managed to write one of the longest posts here entirely off of a situation and a bunch of principles you essentially just imagined in your head.

 

Yeah yeah, that's the kind of reply you post when you don't know what to say. Anyway, I don't need your respect have a nice day buddy.

 

You too brother!
Peace

 

the mushroom have to come TO you, it's not meant YOU should be chasing them..... so, in the meantime, try to do something wise without the mushies
I have seen the beginning and the end of such a commune. many of them are burnt out, sorry to tell you.

 

There could be a ritual psychedelic day.......like on the weekend where the commune takes psychedelics like mushrooms. You know......kind of like going to church in straight society. The rest of the 5 or 6 days would be devoted to growing food, smoking some ganja, living life together, ect.. Members of a commune don't need to trip everyday or anything......in fact psychedelics like mushrooms can only reach their fool effect every 7 days or so.

 

ya... I was thinking maybe even twice a year
from what Ive read about ancient mushroom cults, it was once based on lunar cycles, every new moon they grew the fullest, so thats when they did them

 

Dude I was sticking up for the whole have fun be a hippy do psychedelic drugs but you are getting out there..
Seriously… the start your own cult?religion shaman stuff.
First of all can your support and feed a tribe of people?
A real “shamans” job is to know how to keep the tribe feed, sheltered, healthy and living.
I’m all for the Hippy life style I did it for a while and it was fun but I think you are just getting delusional with the start your own religion stuff.
I sure if you get enough money a few people will follow you along but can you support those people.

 

i though, many years ago, that people who take a lot of mushrooms must end up more interesting or spiritual or free or wise or genius or more fun....
i was wrong. i have met some guys who've become the most boring people, after too much psychadelics. It can sometimes even CLOSE your mind, if you take it too often, too much....

 

sidd, starting your own religion is the thing to do these days, havent you heard? everyones doin it man
and also, it would not be MINE, I would not presume to own or preside over anything dealing with 'spirit'
If anything did come about that you could call a 'ritual' I think it would be far more interesting to just let whoever design whatever ritual they want and let whoever participate in it. I would be far more interested in exploring other peoples rituals then just my own.
and a "real" shaman -job- haha. Totally.


laeyne, if thats what the mushroom wants, then thats what the mushrooms gonna get... although I imagine if such a commune does exist, ayahausca would probably be more central
Although I would have to disagree with you very strongly.
I have seen lack of mushrooms make far more lame uninteresting people.
And I mean closing your mind is understandable, 90% of what exists right now should just dissapear. Shutting down a large portion of yourself seems like the only viable solution. Or merge it all into one category in your mind like 'haha funny', that seems to get you by here.
Even with that though. Don't you find it a little odd you hold this position in your mind that people should not do things which don't make them more entertaining to you? People were not put here to amuse you.

 

I have a theory! It's like... maybe different people... have different experiences, or something, man.

 

brilliant!
wait... different people?
whos different from you?

 

Wow you are going to “let” people do all this you are so generous.
What a great leader!!
Where are you and your followers going to live? In your moms basement?
This crap reminds me why I don’t go to Rainbow gatherings anymore, too many wana be shaman losers.
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“Yeah,,, Bro I’m a Shaman the sprit provides for me… Do you have a extra smoke? Actually do you have 5 or 6? Hey kind bro do you have an extra sleeping bag?”