Protest Against Wikipedia !!!

People need to be able to view this information .... what articles should they block next? maybe .... all articles about the holocaust?

 

Riiiiight... Don't do me any favors there, Sheriff.

 

amen.

News is news and history is history..yeah it sucks that people who do bad things get more coverage and recognition...

Just try and override it by doing lots of good things.

Don't protest wiki, add good stuff to wiki and make it better!

 

It wasn't really his fault anyway. I'd be willing to bet a fair amount that this event was planned and carried out on purpose, like Columbine was. I know that the shooter had military connections, which is the biggest tipoff in these situations. He was likely programmed.

 

"What stops free flow of information is dangerous"

JOHN PERRY BARLOW​

-Founder, Electronic Free Foundation​

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Free flow of information is vital to a free society.​

It is up to the individual to get educated on issues to make informed decisions.​

 

If you wanna take the piss outta wikipedia, have a look at the ANTI-WIKI

http://uncyclopedia.org

 

Nobody said it should be swept under the carpet or ignored because its painful. I just disagree with the ethos that the guy is worthy of a whole page devoted to him rather than him being included on a page about the events. Did any of you actually go there to wikipedia and that link??? There doesnt need to be that asshole with his own page he is just the devil within the events. To give him his own page is to announce he is THAT important but he is not important and his life an name should be dragged through the mud, not objectivised and intellectualised but reviled and rebuked !!!

Great another conspiracy theory nutcase

mandell
no one is saying sensorship so stop lookin where the sun dont shine for answers. The point is that the facts should be known without granting the criminal any status above the victims - certainly not a whole biographical account of the assholes life. Its sickening to see that he gets that but what of people who do honorable things there are plenty of people more worthy of a space - pull down all the assholes dont immortalise them for fucks sake - just print the facts with him included but dont give him his own page

 

Again, information about him and his life should be readily available so the general public can form their own impressions on the kid. No his name shouldn't be dragged through the mud, what's the use? Revenge is worthless, a waste of energy. If you put me there with a gun, I would have shot him dead on the spot to save some lives, but I wouldn't kill him after the fact, and I won't go hating his name. The guy was obviously feeling something you or I could never understand. Pain and alienation on a severe level. I don't think many of us understand what it's like to feel THAT alone. It can destroy a person and in this case it did. It's no justification for what he did, but hating him won't accomplish anything constructive. Try to understand him. Hating him is too damn easy and convenient and I don't think much will ever come of it.

I just wish someone could have reached out to him, made a connection, and saved him before he did what he did.

 

Well, you really haven't done any of your own research, have you? No, because any information on the killer should be disallowed, according to you. How about you figure out what the fuck's going on before you accuse me of being a nutcase, okay?

 

Great another conspiracy theory nutcase

I think what he meant was that no one just kills a whole bunch of people for no reason and no one wakes up and says, "I'm gonna kill me some people today", the fact of the matter is that there has to have been a long history of psycological problems with the person and we all know that this boy was crying out for help, he never recived it and not a lof of people are in pain.

 

I totally understand you dude ! I was making the same point in my school the other day!

 

No, that's not exactly what I meant. While it's likely that he did have a lot of problems, this whole thing seems way to too convenient to write him off a as another lone nut. I believe that he we programmed to carry out these murders, just like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Timothy McVeigh, Oswald... the list goes on. And they all had military connections. Oswald and McVeigh were actually in the military, while Harris's father was in the Air Force. This is where they get a lot of their "lone nuts".

 

I was drawn by the curious title of this thread. Having read all the posts and a few of the interesting cases, I firmly believe that you have all missed Sentient's point.

We tend to demonize people. We turn them into hateful figures, forever carved in the stones of history, misrepresented to the point when we'll be ridiculed when we're too long dead to even care.

I can appreciate that history has to be recorded.

I can appreciate that this event should be discussed, and remembered, to avoid future recurrence.

And, by all means, to have an entry on the events wherein the "murderer" is part of the encyclopaedia entry about what happened at the university(as Sentient suggested and as everyone so conveniently overlooked whilst getting on their democratic soap box to preach middleclass morality to the middleclass), and not the "event" as part of the murderer's entry, which makes the murderer the antihero drawing all the attention of the tragedy, as if he was the sole figure we should weep for.

We have already discussed a similar philosophy among the writers in the writers forum and from the comments made therei was able to percieve points that hadn't crossed my mind before.

Dedicating a personal page to this psychotic murderer, because we have to preserve history?

Fine. If Wikipedia wants to serve history so nobly where are the entries of the 32 victims?

Surely each one of them should have a page on Wiki as well if we are here to preserve the truth, justice, and history.

But we are not. Like hypocrites who flocked to the coliseum in a different era, we live in a world regulated by a media tap that drips poisoned water into our skulls on a daily basis, and to go against the grain is to incur the wrath of all those who have acquired a taste for their news, history and facts to be sensationalized or made into a "good" film starring some clueless Hollywood assholes and their baby adopting wife/gf/mistress etc.

 

The points Sentient makes are too rooted in American (christian?) morality and don't ring with a universal truth to my ears. They are too linked with contrived concepts like revenge and hatred. I'm suspicious of them, and I trust my intuition.

True, I would like to see a wikipedia page for all of the victims, because they all played their part in this disaster. However, this killing is not some random event that should be forgotten about out of respect for the families involved. The killings are a recent manifestation of a major cultural problem that has been raising to a boil in incidents of apparently random and senseless violence.

Individuality. The importance and value of each person as an individual and the fact that all of our problems matter to EVERYONE.

The process of olving humanity's problems is not limited only to a general "feed the starving, give shelter to the poor" outlook, we have to be more aware than that, we need to look out for each individual and be ready to help him or her should she or he need it. The killer clearly needed help and NO ONE was there for him. Why? Because we distance ourselves from things and people we fear, rather than try to understand them.

Noble qualities like tolerance and love are not about learning to only accept blacks, whites, gays, jews, hindus, whatever "archetypes" you might have in your mind to categorize humanity, it's about accepting HUMANS and loving for them and actually caring for them.

Tolerance is talking to the ugly smelly kid that no one finds interesting or wants to be around, or the paraplegic or deformed man that no one even looks at. The violent racist who's hatred rots him from the inside. Even the cold blooded killer who seeks out murder like we seek a Saturday night hookup. We're all HUMANS and to reject anyone as inhuman or unworthy of our respect is doing damage to ourselves as a species.

The killer should not feel any more ashamed than the rest of us, wherever he is. If there is a heaven, he is there alongside Ghandi, Martin Luther King, the girl in my high school class who committed suicide because she found the alienation and coldness of her life unberable, and every other victim of the cruel elements of nature in this universe.

Fact is, we ALL contributed to those murders at Virginia Tech by allowing this cold impersonal society to persist and more will follow until we learn how to use our souls and become decent, sensitive people who can see when someone close to us is struggling, and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Seung-Hui Cho was a killer, yeah, but maybe we are too. It's possible, even probable we've all had a hand in murders and suicides that we don't even know about.

The significance of this killing goes far beyond the theatre of the killer and the victims: it's a social problem, a human problem, and it, the circumstances that lead to it, and especially the killer who was finally compelled to release the negative energy that had been forced into him for reasons known and known, need to be studied extensively.

The killer's role in this crime is instrumental and also symbolic. His identity and his story are valuable for teaching people why and how this happened, and that alone is enough to warrant the attention he's gotten.

Worried about copy cat crimes? We deserve them. As long as we continue to alienate and discard our brothers and sisters, turning a blind eye as they fall through the cracks, we are only getting what we put in.

Learn from our mistakes now, or we will be cursed to suffer through them eternally.

 

Well said son. I don know what theyre feedin these passifists in Urope but theyve gone soft in the heed. Thanks to Wiki peeple can edookate themselfs. I did not have that privilige when I was yo age n I left skool when I was 9 to set up a biznis.

PS That rake behind yo is cheep garbage boy. I know a good hardwear store wher yo can git beeter quality for a beeter price n a moneyback gar n tea

 

Very true.

 

Ok, so Adolf Hitler murdered 6 million Jews, Pol Pot killed millions of Cambodians, Mao Tse Tung killed millions of Chinese, Stalin murdered millions of Russians, Genghis Khan killed millions more. I'm waiting for these two nutcases, -> White Scorpion and Sentient, to set up a webpage for each and every one of the victims of the above named mass murderers.

You two fools better start getting busy, the task of setting up a webpage for their murdered victims, each and every one of them, is gonna take a looooong time.... LOL.

 

So what if I happen to come across biographies of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Charles Manson, the Reverend Jim Baker, Jack The Ripper, The Zodiac Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer and biographies of you and White Scorpions' miserable lives.

Does that mean, just by reading yours and White Scorpions biographies, I automatically glorify the two of you??? On the other hand, I would rather think, you and White Scorpion would fall under the same category as a-holes.

 

I don't think wiki grants anyone more status than another. It simply states links and entries. It's up to the individual to verify.

 

Yeah. Why would you protest Wikipedia... Change the page if you feel so inclined.