Prop 19 isn't passing

Considering that the younger voters did not turn out and vote when it mattered, I would hardly assume that if the older voters kick the bucket that it would pass.

Apathy is what killed this not old stoners or paranoid grown ups. Only 11% of those under 30 who could vote, did.

On this very site most of those that were overly vocal about controls in prop 19 were the younger voters. No way was anyone going to control them.

That is not taking into account those who also on this site stated they would not even vote.

When it mattered, the younger vote was not there.

The hobble gobble about rigged and fixed and paranoia about the government in your weed patch don't hold water unless you make an attempt for change by your vote.

With an electoral show of only 11% guess it really is not an issue for 89% of the younger demographic.

 

Yeah, this was the main point that I was trying to make. There are too many crazy things happening in the country that people haven't been able to stand up to, and I'm starting to doubt that unless something drastic happened, I don't think there will be a big enough group of people who will actually take action and put up a fight to make a difference in order for a coffee-ban (or anything of it's likes) to be overturned again.

It's incredible how powerless we are/make ourselves.

I should make it clear, however, that you did a very good job of defending your position. I won't try and argue any further. You've got a pretty good defense built up, and I don't think I'm going to get to far with that .

Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply that we're always going to lose. Eventually the insanity will stop, but from the looks of things, there's no guarantee that that will happen any time in the near future.

11% isn't trivial... That's five hundred twenty-eight thousand people who have already made up their mind that it's not something they want in their state (Granted some voted because they didn't like how the bill was written, but I don't care like doing more math, so we're just forget about that). If you've ever tried to change even one person's mind, you'll understand that doing that two hundred forty thousand times (How many people will need to change from no to yes) is a pretty enormous task. And there's a good chance that most who oppose legalization aren't particularly open-minded, which means that they're going to be extremely unreceptive to the facts that you try and throw at them.

So yeah, the only way that I can see the bill passing is by getting more < 30 year olds out to vote, and I can't really see that 11% number of them jumping up to radically. I mean, if they didn't vote now, why would it be any different in the future? It's not like any of these kids haven't heard about Prop 19. You'd think they'd actually be able to take the initiative to go do something like that.

They'd rather just continue to hate the police, and wear shirts that say 'legalize it'. All talk, no action.

 

Shame felons can't vote

 

Point of contention my friend, we CAN smoke a joint in the privacy of our home... we just can't get caught doing it.

 

I can't fucking believe it! ...

 

The older a person gets the more likely they are to be invested in politics and spend their time researching and voting.
Young voters always have a pretty low turnout on average. Most of the old people who voted in mass numbers a few days ago weren't voting when they were young either.

 

They had huge turnout for 'the history making' vote of Obama.
Why the fuck didn't the Cali youth turn out for a history making vote that actually mattered to them?

 

Yeah that was a huge anomaly.
And it didn't happen again because hipsters are unreliable.
No self respecting "cool" 20 year old would be caught dead standing in a ballot line behind Grandma and Grandpa.

 

Yeah, I honestly thought that they would have forgone pride (right use of that word?), and at least went out and actually took initiative for something that so many of these kids must believe strongly in.

I think that it'll go through within five years. Hopefully less, but I don't know. That could just be wishful thinking.

 

Yeah- especially considering that so many holders of elected office become felons.

 

i feel that the media threw this Prop 19 into the national spotlight farther than they needed to so that every liberal and pot smoker in america was watching this race.... and NOT watching their own local elections. It served the conservatives to keep attention on a single states proposition, a highly contentious one at that, so that folks everywhere would focus on "maybe pot will be legal in cali and after that here" instead of "tonite is our election and I should find out about who is in it in my state".

But thats just me, and I get a skewed view of politics here in the south!

 

^^good point.

 

To be fair Prop 19 was kind of a big deal, it'd be the first place anywhere in the world where marijuana was fully legal to sell and tax, and it did have a realistic chance of possibly passing.

 

Skewed by a stiff dose of reality perhaps. It strikes me that the whole campaign process is set up to misinform voters- often creating irrational hatred to base a vote on. The simplistic messages and transparently disingenuous promises show exactly how most of the politicians simply don't take voters very seriously beyond pandering to them for votes.

 

Just on the subject of the world and weed...

 

ChronicTom, wanna repost that link? I wanna read your graphic but my peepers obviously don't function as well as yours. That's microscopic

 

^^yeah, make that shit bigger

how about before they made laws against it? marijuana was fully "legal" then, maybe just not to tax cuz then the colonials would get pissed

 

The article is a bit cerebral, perhaps, for the average stoner, but it makes its point even if you don't get the math.

Strong Signs Massachusetts Voters Are Ready to Embrace Marijuana Legalization

By: Jon Walker Friday November 5, 2010 10:27 am

 

I won't post the original pic again, I did the first time... its HUGE!!!

Heres a link to it instead

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/World-cannabis-laws.png

 

This is going to be bigger than that East Coast West, Coast Rapper crap in the 90's...