Proof that God and Heaven don't exist

How can you keep saying he goes unproven?? He has been proven wrong on his original logic countless times!

 

One can't prove the existence of a creator or disprove the existence of a creator. We shall all find out eventually though, and I don't say that as a "fire and brimstone hell-fire" preacher in an attempt to frighten others. I personally think that the creator is "LOVE" and is better than any man can conceive of. I am throwing my cards on the side of the existence of a creator that shall make everything work out for good, somehow and someway, in the end for every single one of us. That is my hope. Might be silly to some but what if I'm right? Wouldn't that be the greatest scenerio for all of us? I think it sure beats believing that we are born, enjoy parts of our lives, suffer for parts of our lives, eventually become sick, possibly grow old, end up in the ground, and that's it. No hope whatsoever to be reconciled with loved ones. No hope whatsoever that there may be something better to come. I may be wrong, but I still hope. Some may call me silly, but I don't think that I am. I can't prove God's existence, but I do feel that there is too much of a design to the natural world that everything works the way that it works without an intelligent mind of a creator behind it. I know, I know "intelligent design" but I believed that years before the term became popular and laughed at. If one studies biology, for instance, one should be amazed of how our bodies work - believer in a creator or not. The complexity, and what appears to be a well thought out design of the systems of the body, seem to scream out to me that there is a mind behind it all. I just can't deny. So I hope, but I hope for everyone. I live for the day and enjoy myself though. I love living and I love the things that I enjoy. Life is good, despite the suffering and heartbreak that exists, and just maybe - there is something better to come for all of us. I certainly hope so. For now, I will live life to the fullest and help others whenever possible. Thanks for reading my silliness.

 

awesome rider. Great attitude

 

This only proves that stupid people exist.
Atheists that is.

 

Relayers post deserves a bump

 

Submited for your aproval or disaproval:

15:2. ORGANIZATION OF THE SUPERUNIVERSES Listen to audio recording of this section

15:2.1 Only the Universal Father knows the location and actual number of inhabited worlds in space; he calls them all by name and number. I can give only the approximate number of inhabited or inhabitable planets, for some local universes have more worlds suitable for intelligent life than others. Nor have all projected local universes been organized. Therefore the estimates which I offer are solely for the purpose of affording some idea of the immensity of the material creation.

15:2.2 There are seven superuniverses in the grand universe, and they are constituted approximately as follows:

1. 15:2.3 1. The System. The basic unit of the supergovernment consists of about one thousand inhabited or inhabitable worlds. Blazing suns, cold worlds, planets too near the hot suns, and other spheres not suitable for creature habitation are not included in this group. These one thousand worlds adapted to support life are called a system, but in the younger systems only a comparatively small number of these worlds may be inhabited. Each inhabited planet is presided over by a Planetary Prince, and each local system has an architectural sphere as its headquarters and is ruled by a System Sovereign.
2. 15:2.4 2. The Constellation. One hundred systems (about 100,000 inhabitable planets) make up a constellation. Each constellation has an architectural headquarters sphere and is presided over by three Vorondadek Sons, the Most Highs. Each constellation also has a Faithful of Days in observation, an ambassador of the Paradise Trinity.
3. 15:2.5 3. The Local Universe. One hundred constellations (about 10,000,000 inhabitable planets) constitute a local universe. Each local universe has a magnificent architectural headquarters world and is ruled by one of the co-ordinate Creator Sons of God of the order of Michael. Each universe is blessed by the presence of a Union of Days, a representative of the Paradise Trinity.
4. 15:2.6 4. The Minor Sector. One hundred local universes (about 1,000,000,000 inhabitable planets) constitute a minor sector of the superuniverse government; it has a wonderful headquarters world, wherefrom its rulers, the Recents of Days, administer the affairs of the minor sector. There are three Recents of Days, Supreme Trinity Personalities, on each minor sector headquarters.
5. 15:2.7 5. The Major Sector. One hundred minor sectors (about 100,000,000,000 inhabitable worlds) make one major sector. Each major sector is provided with a superb headquarters and is presided over by three Perfections of Days, Supreme Trinity Personalities.
6. 15:2.8 6. The Superuniverse. Ten major sectors (about 1,000,000,000,000 inhabitable planets) constitute a superuniverse. Each superuniverse is provided with an enormous and glorious headquarters world and is ruled by three Ancients of Days.
7. 15:2.9 7. The Grand Universe. Seven superuniverses make up the present organized grand universe, consisting of approximately seven trillion inhabitable worlds plus the architectural spheres and the one billion inhabited spheres of Havona. The superuniverses are ruled and administered indirectly and reflectively from Paradise by the Seven Master Spirits. The billion worlds of Havona are directly administered by the Eternals of Days, one such Supreme Trinity Personality presiding over each of these perfect spheres.

15:2.10 Excluding the Paradise-Havona spheres, the plan of universe organization provides for the following units:

1. Superuniverses............ 7
2. Major sectors............70
3. Minor sectors.......... 7,000
4. Local universes........ 700,000
5. Constellations........70,000,000
6. Local systems...... 7,000,000,000
7. Inhabitable planets. 7,000,000,000,000

15:2.11 Each of the seven superuniverses is constituted, approximately, as follows:

1. One system embraces, approximately........ 1,000 worlds
2. One constellation (100 systems)......... 100,000 worlds
3. One universe (100 constellations).......10,000,000 worlds
4. One minor sector (100 universes)..... 1,000,000,000 worlds
5. One major sector (100 minor sectors).. 100,000,000,000 worlds
6. One superuniverse (10 major sectors). 1,000,000,000,000 worlds

15:2.12 All such estimates are approximations at best, for new systems are constantly evolving while other organizations are

 

Oh really?
Where?

I certainly didnt see any except for the opinions of people... which are not facts ofcourse, hence not actually prooven.

 

Whatever. You don't know how to use logic. Look at the topic and original post. His logic has been proven faulty here numerous times. If you can't see that, there is no point trying to prove you otherwise, you just won't get it.

 

Pages and pages of frustration, like watching an OCD pet chase its tale around in circles, YOU, you people, what have you achieved? I am proud to say i have not read through very much of this waste of TIME.

 

I have OCD. Im sure that has some effect here.

 

You dont know either,
logic would be when you actually proove someone wrong.
You have not done this anywhere in this topic, certainly not in the first one.

I dont know what your dictionairy states with logic, but you seem to lack it mate.
Perhaps *you* dont get it
Think about that.

 

Im a philosophy minor in college. I get Logic. Dirtyvibe said that he had logically proved that God does not exist with his original post. He came nowhere close to doing that. So his Logic has proven faulty. This does not mean that I have logically proven that there IS a God, but it means that he has been proven wrong, and numerous times. There is nothing about what you're saying that I need to think about.

 

As early as the 4th century, St. Augustine,one of the most respected thinkers of Christianity, established that Genesis isn't to be taken literally, and in particular, challenged the idea that the earth was created in seven days. Even earlier, Origen, another church father, wrote: "What intelligent person will suppose that there was a first, a second and a third day, that there was evening and morning without the existence of the sun and moon and stars? Or that there was a first day without a sky? Who could be so silly to think that God planted a paradise in Eden the way a human gardener does, and that He made in this garden a visible, palpable, tree of life, so that by tasting its fruit with ones bodily teeth, one should receive life?" So, obviously these early Christians didn't have a problem with a non-literal reading of Genesis.

 

Look i've suffered from OCD and washed my hands alot, never heard of it causing anyone to debate the existance of God obsessivley though...

 

I'm curious. Are there other topics you think are more interesting, or discussions you think would be more productive or conclusive? If so, why are you here instead of on some other thread or fourm discussing them? If not, why are you on Hip Forums at all?

 

You've suffered from OCD and what, you don't anymore?? I've actually never heard of anyone completely getting rid of OCD. Actually, you must not know a lot about the disorder. Most people think it is only washing hands and cleaning, not walking on cracks...basically what they learned from movies. That isn't the case.
OCD has to do with obsessive intrusive anxiety provoking thoughts and ritualized compulsions that help to alleviate some anxiety for short periods of time. The majority of my obsessions deal with religion (blasphemy, scrupulosity,etc...) violence, sex, and contracting deadly diseases. The only "germ compulsion" I ever had was brushing my teeth about 20 times a day. I usually do mental rituals such as obsessive prayer, counting in different languages, and other weird shit that I can't explain. That is how OCD is for many people. The more you know...

 

I did. Trust me on this. I'm much smarter than you. I have a 165 IQ. Your logical faculties don't even compare to mine.

 

There is,
because you are suddenly taking a different subject with that post :')
We werent even talking about him.

But sureeee, your logic is great... must be a bad school eh
Lmfao. u should know...


Peace.

 

I'm afraid it won't work. No matter what your IQ is,what your major is, or how many letters you have after your name, faulty logic is as easy to detect as the claim that 2+2=5. What's the flaw? The assumption that Genesis must be taken literally, and therefore if Genesis contains statements that aren't factually true, God must not exist. This doesn't make sense, because (1) Not all belief in God is based on Genesis or the Judeo-Christian Bible;(2) only fundamentalists believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis; and (3) errors in the Bible would only prove that that particular scripture was wrong in its staments about God. So you may be a genius, but on this point, your logic seems to fall short. Besides, you don't know what Whatshappening's IQ is, so how do you know it can't compare to his? (Please note, I didn't say that God could be proved or even that God coudn't be disproved. I just said that this argument doesn't disprove God).

 

I was talking about him. Frankly I don't care what you're talking about anymore. You make no sense. You weren't "laughing your fucking ass off." and no, its quite a good school. You manage to convey a very annoying personality through typing, its quite astonishing! Lets just stop conversing, we're getting no where here.

Dirtyvibe,
you took an online IQ test Im guessing. Those aren't real. Even if you didn't the stanford-binet test doesn't take into account many facets of reasoning, types in intelligence, social/economic/cultural backgrounds etc...So it really doesn't tell me anything. But, should we compare SAT scores now?? Mine would be pretty fuckin hard to beat. But guess what...IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU THINK YOU'RE SMARTER THAN ME. You have not established anything logically, and your alleged intelligence quotient doesn't change that.