Proof that God and Heaven don't exist

so your only purpose in life is to maxmimze your pleasurable sensory experience and continue the human race because you are so kind you want other people who you can never take the pleasure of knowing to experience pleasure as well? so your only purpose is to experience a chemical pleasure, i also have a question for you, do you believe people are naturally good or evil?

 

There is no good or evil.

 

this title is misleading.

 

how can you say there is no good or evil? so if i drop 100 nukes on the US(for no apparent reason) and kill 250million people that is a neutral event?

 

That is neither good nor evil.

That is hate and stupidity.

Its not a matter of good or evil, its a matter of cause and effect. Any action causes an effect - there is no way to guage how evil something is, its relative... there is a way to guage change.

Therefore, only change exists, good and evil are products of our minds.

 

a good deed is something that maximizes the happyness of the greatest number of people without inflicting pain, and evil is vice versa

therefore the effect of a good deed is the enjoyment/happyness people get from it

 

And so if a person does something that affects only himself and he does it for his own benefite, he is doing a selfish good. But, and here's the clincher, humans were made to be selfish.

 

now we are just getting into altruism and egoism what happned to God, this is just another endless argument with endless points on each side

 

There is an evolutionary basis for altruism. Humans are social animals and individual survival depends heavily on group survival and social skills.

 

let me play the devil's advocate for a second lol, would you do a "good deed" if you suffered horribly from it and gained nothing, not even emotional pleasure from doing the act, just so you could help someone else- i doubt it
read the Leviathan and you'll find plenty of reasons why we could be egoists

i personally believe we are all evil, anything we do is to gain something greater than we put into the action, the only reason we love even our wives is because we both have something that the other needs ie money skills ect, so we aren't just doing it for the "good of the team" we are doing it to ensure our own survial

 

You seem to be looking for pure altruism, and I admit, it's hard to find. I'm not even sure about Mother Teresa. And the nasty, selfish side of humans is widespread enough that we probably wouldn't survive very long if we ignored it or assumed it didn't exist. Would I do a "good deed" if I suffered horribly from it and gained nothing". Probably not. But I'd probably do one if it just caused me inconvenience. Selfishness is human and I'm no exception, but so is altruism. People, not all but many, will give their lives or risk their limbs for their country, their buddies, their families, etc.

 

There is no action that does not effect all of us. Time spent on selfish ventures is time that could have been spent serving the needs of mankind.

We only have so much time to live here, when all of our actions are with the good of all in mind - we will have achieved perfection.

It is simply a state of mind.

 

If any thought or emotion exist, they may be brought to the forefront of your mind. You just have to do it.

Its not a matter of giving all of your money to the homeless - then what will you do? Its a matter of living in the moment, and serving the needs of man with each moment. In today's world, there must be a personal revolution... after this, people will be born into a morally free world based on cause and effect.

 

Hate... that basically is evil!

And in the case of hate combined with stupidity,
it's extremely dangerous evil.