Proof that God and Heaven don't exist

why is this bloke banned?

 

And maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real.

 

you think what im saying is total bs ? okay prove me wrong, tell me why or how it's incorrect? please do. usually when kids lose an argument they become frustrated and try to discredit the statement through some random idiotic statement, instead of being a kid please prove me wrong

 

You've placed yourself beyond proof. You ask for "proof" but you've denied the validity of logic and evidence. Using your methodology, anyone could believe anything or disbelieve anything they want by taking a "leap of faith". They could believe that Mother Teresa was Satan, that Jesus was a pagan used camel dealer living in Sweden, or whatever--prove them wrong. The Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Tooth Fairie are as believable or unbelievable as the existence of President Bush or your mother. I find it hard to believe that you believe what you say you do, and if you do, I find it interesting that you're having a conversation with me on Hip Forums, since I and it might simply be figments of your imagination. As a matter of fact, we are. You can't prove that I exist, can you?

 

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There were two I's. I know because I pressed the I key twice.
Although you are making an okay argument, never compare math to a belief.
We KNOW 8*3=24 because if you take 8 things, then 8 more, then 8 more, you have 24, and if you say I have 25, you need to learn the english word for 24. Math is a set amount of value given to everything naturally.
God is an imaginary friend.

 

And furthermore, acga, if you did believe in what you were saying, how would you be able to live sanely never knowing what is real or not real? This could all be an insane hallucination. You are the only thing you know that is real, based on what you are saying, si why even learn or study or think at all? What you are doing is theorizing the end of curiosity and creativity.

 

the only thing you know is that you exist( I think therefore I am) and math is like God in that math is abstract and external, and the only thing i guess i can do is enjoy this life if it even exists, okay tape a video of you multiplying 3apples by 3apples to make nine apples please,and even if this is all fake? what difference does it really make in the end? would you rather wake up in the "real world" where everything is even more fucked up than it is now or enjoy a world that seems real?

 

and no anyone could not believe in anything they wanted to, if you actually through your sensory experience experience something then you can make a decision as to whether or not that thing is "real" or not, since i can experience president bush i take a leap of faith based on my experiences and choose to believe he is real
P.S sorry for the bad grammer/spelling im in a hurry

 

Science is not faulty. Math is not faulty. They are both based on facts. Faulty is not spelled falty. Your assumptions are based on crap. I'm sorry that I didn't think of a nicer way to say it.



BTW- the fact that you can't prove to me that the tooth fairy doesn't exist, is not a good reason to believe in the tooth fairy. When you’re trying to prove such a ridiculous premise (i.e. god exists), the burden of proof is on you, not me.

 

dude come on. The burden of proof is not on anyone. No one cares if you believe in God or not. If you look at what this thread is about, it was started with a faulty argument trying to disprove God. THATS WHAT WERE ARGUING ABOUT! So yea, in this case, the burden of proof is actually on your side.

 

Red and blue have different wavelengths. You may call it green, I may call it zelenyj, it is still the same wavelength. The language is arbitrary.

Ditto for numbers. Through social means, we "chose" that one means one thing and that 2 means another. Why is 4 blue apples for you not as valid as 2 red apples for me, well because humans have agreed that when we say 2, we mean a different thing than 4. Red and blue can be detected empirically.

I love your video of trying to "multiply" 3 apples by 3 apples. If I rememebr correctly, we are taught math theory all the long way back in elementary school. We are taught that if we have 3 GROUPS of 3 apples, we have 9 apples all together. That is how math works in the real world.

I would just like to speak on behalf of myself an other rational theists in the world that acga5 does not represent the norm, and should not be taken as such.

 

well, he represents many 14 year old philosphers. We can cut him a break because of his age...he'll learn all this stuff in time. I remember thinking similar things at that age. It actually might be a sign of good things to come, in that his mind likes to think outside of the box...but of course if you want to be a good thinker outside of the box, you have to learn all the stuff inside first.

 

how is science not faulty? the scientific method is based on sensory experience my friend, and i do not need to prove to you that God exists. The only thing I am saying is God can not be proven or disproven so there is no real point to arguing about that. also believing in math is no different than believing in God, you say 1+1=2 i say 1+1=11 prove me wrong? prove yourself right?

 

okay say me and you are looking at a painting of what we would both agree to be three green apples, you say "i am certain that what i am seeing are 3 green apples" and i say the same thing, but how can we know that we are both seeing the same thing?and what is the norm? a bunch of people looking at the painting who all agree that they are seeing the same thing even though it can never be proven?all of your experiments and your "facts" are all based on sensory experience, and when comes down to it based on your experience you choose either to believe or not to believe

 

Look, dude. I'm not trying to debate the existence or nonexistence of God. Some of your arguments make a valid opinion, but your beef with math is rediculous.
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How many ^s did you see?

 

None of this make's your invisible beloved tooth fairy king sht of the universe. God doesn't exist. Period.

 

nice argument salmon 4 me. Tooth fairy kind shit? haha you think you're like really smart and cool don't you

 

No. I'm of average intelligence and I'm not all that cool. But at least I don't worship an invincible Casper the friendly ghost.




*believe what you like folks. not all that gung-ho or serious here.

 

it is ignorant to say that God does not exist, based on your sensory experience you state that you believe that God does not exist, your word is not the ultimate truth my friend

also, what is your purpose then? you just some useless thing coasting through life until you die? if you believe that God does not exist then why don't you just save yourself a lot of time and shoot yourself in the head and get to the end already?

 

Survival of the species, fortune, and having a happy life now because we only get one life.