Proof god exist!

Well, yeah, god gave you the choice of choosing right from wrong. However, if you do these things then prepare to burn in hell for eternity... Unless you repent... Or maybe not... Don't actually know because the bible is pretty flawed...

 

I would not advertise doing it but yes, you have the choice to try and do all those things. I don't really understand the question though, isn't that rather evident?

 

No I can't.
That is a most arrogant and asinine statement.

Narcissism anyone?

 

Ok, how about looking from these peoples perspective.

Why were they abused? Why do they have to suffer? Just because someone has sick mind?

It is evident, but do you accept the fact that such things might happen? I mean, are you like "well, yeah, they do bad shit, get over it"? It is just what I understood from your previous post.

 

Because mankind is a sick twisted spieces. Nothing to do with god (who I dont believe exists anyway) but if he gave the people free will then technically what they do is down to them, they can choose a good path and go to heaven or they can follow the temptations of the devil and go to hell..

Really the answer to why is money, power, selfishness & greed.

 

The 'bad shit, get over it' was not ment to be read into my post But I do not blame God for the fact that such things occur. I accept the fact that we humans have power that we can use but we also made the morals that judge a certain use as abuse. I don't believe God is an arbiter who keeps a list of what we think is wrong. Some people believe if God would exist it would ought to be and that if God would not do such a thing (s)he has got to be an evil bastard. But I don't see it as a given at all that if there is a God it should naturally take away all things that might cause pain and sorrow.

 

We can effect conditions but we cannot end the conditionality of which the world is a part. Nothing real is in jeopardy.

 

Who you talkin bout willis?

 

So animal spieces that we have made extinct weren't real? And what about all the ones we have made endangered? And I suppose rainforests aren't real either, the ones that we tear down daily? The air we breath, but fill with toxic smokes, isn't real either?.. we could completely destroy everything if the wrong weapons got into the wrong hands.

I'm talking about the human race, not everybody, but a majority.

 

No, all that is proof of is that you adhere to the same tired old anthropocentric criteria for ascribing a value judgement to concepts/things/actions.

Seriously, bacteria and viri? Dude none of us would be alive to hold this lame-assed "discussion" if it weren't for bacteria and viri. Hell, NOTHING would be alive on the planet if it weren't for bacteria and viri.

So see beyond your myopic viewpoint and quit trying to force God to abide by your concepts of "good & evil" that you keep in your miniscule box of very egocentric morals.

For a wider perspective I recommend 500ugs of LSD-25 accompanied by sunset on the beach.
:sunny:

 

The only way that you can say that God exists is in an extremely abstract form. Yes, you can say that God exists in the forces that govern our universe and that those forces contain an abstracted consciousness, but to say that any religion's god is real is false. The reason why is that human beings try to apply human characteristics to something that is not human. Saying that God got involved in ancient near-eastern politics (the exodus) or that God fought wars (the Ramayana, the Book of Joshua, etc.) is just ridiculous. The gods described in major religions around the world were invented for political purposes by drug-addled ancient people. It's clear by the language of these sacred texts and by scientific evidence that they aren't true. However, people don't want to hear that, because they can't find enough joy in their lives to justify living unless there is some kind of infinite reward involved in death.

 

We share in common with all things, our temporary conditions.

You are not even talking about the majority of the human race as you have not taken the appropriate poll. You are speaking of your own perspectives. Our senses do not give us information about the environment as much as our disposition towards it.

Competition for resources contributes to extinction regardless of human involvement in that competition. It is as much a mistake to worship the human being as exceptional as it is to worship an animal as causative of the rising sun.

Barren parking lots are as legitimate an expression as a packed opera house.

Your perspective is long on villains and short on appreciation.

All that being said, I'd rather be a forest than a street.

 

hi everyone!

God exists, yes, but.. He is, sure, not us!
computers are our reflection, alright, we are the reflection of .... ?!
the planets, the plants, the galaxies are the reflection of ..... ?!
what I believe our existence is a sign of God, and any thing's existence is another sign of God.

If we look at it your way... we tamed the lion.. we are gods,
we are all tamed to nature is law! in nature god! some people believe so!
But what is nature?! the sun?!.. people worshiped it! the cow?! people still worshiped it!

The God.. is the creator of all that we see with all the system that makes it functions the way it is .. including us.

 

but where is meaning of life here?! you live 100 years, die and then...?!!!
...nothing?!!! why are we the only creatures in control in earth, why do we seem the only creatures got troubles finding God?!! Good luck

 

You aren't really making any sense. I'm trying to have a real argument here, not one that is based on unprovable premises. If you start from the position that God absolutely exists and that is a fact that cannot be disproven, how can you ever achieve any kind of knowledge?

 

Hello

Well, perhaps.

What??

They are not

Why must we be a reflection of anything?

Again, why need they reflect anything?

That belief is your right. But it's not evidence.

We did not tame the lion. And if WE are gods, then who is the God you refer to?

people certainly worshipped the Sun. Some still worship Gaia. That doesn't make either of them God. After all, some people worship football.

That's a statement of God's function, assuming he exists. It's not evidence of his existence.

 

Let's start form the point that life exists, our lives, animal's lives and every other creatures' lives.

We are here.. alive.. after some year are not! what does't it mean.

Your mind exists ( it is not your brain), and you believe that.. can you prove it (that your mind exists)?!

 

That's a fallacious argument, with respect. The fact that I may not be able to prove the existence of B (my mind) does not mean that A (God), which also cannot be proved, must therefore exist.

In any event, yes one can prove the existence of minds. Einsteins had ideas that changed the world. Beethoven, Lennon and McCartney, Jagger and Richards and Springsteen's minds had ideas that turned into songs. Hitler's mind had ideas that nearly destroyed a race.

My mind has the ideas that enable me to write this.

 

I experience my mind every day. My mind is the entirety of my consciousness. However, I have never experienced this "god" that you speak of. To say that because I think means that some superpowerful force killed a bunch of Egyptians thousands of years ago and impregnated an Israeli woman years later to save the human race, is absurd.

 

We can say the same about soul, anybody knows it exists, but no evidence
we know it by signs, we know the brain by signs, why don't we accept to know God by signs?! the whole universe for one!!!

Einstein's, Beethoven's and all great men in human history the did not change the world.
the changed the style of lives, they used their minds (God made minds ) and they still played under nature's law (God made nature).
No matter how powerful humans become they will still live in a universe that was not made by them, controlled by a system they did not invent, after all they still not be able to create a living fly, ant or bug... they did not even choose to exist and to have what they do have!