Pro Basset Stoner

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  1. mudpuddle

    mudpuddle MangaHippiePornStar Lifetime Supporter

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    Turning your Pet into a Junkie Like Yourself is Irresponsible...

    Pets can Suffer from Marijuana Poisoning if they eat yer Stash...

    Animals shouldn't have it forced upon them to get High...

    Maybe an 15 Year Old Idiot might try That...

    Animals don't Have the Ability to make the Right Choice...
     
  2. mudpuddle

    mudpuddle MangaHippiePornStar Lifetime Supporter

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    Erze was Pointing out that Animals can't make the Right Decisions for themselves...

    Not if marijuana can kill your Pet or Not...
     
  3. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    Are you serious? Hahahahahaha

    Sorry but you are completely clueless, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

    And junkie? Yeah that's right, when I quit smoking weed it was worse than getting off heroin. I was sick for weeks and almost died... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  4. mudpuddle

    mudpuddle MangaHippiePornStar Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah I'm so Clueless... :D

    I Have No Idea what I am Talking about...

    Now I will be another Idiot and get my Pets High...

    I Wonder what Effect it will have on the Little Bodies of Rats...And Puppies...
     
  5. babyhellfire

    babyhellfire Banned

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    Humans can and do become addicted to marijuana.
    It is also safe to assume here that smoke inhalation is not the best thing for the health of your pet.

    Belle- I didn't mean to call you low- it just seems almost typical of you to turn things around into backbiting comments when people aren't posting along with what you expected. I Do view that as low,but i don't reallly think you are. I am sorry if I insulted you more than I intended to.
     
  6. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    [SIZE=+1]A Legal and Medical Risk? Why Your Dog Should “Just Say No” To Drugs[/SIZE]

    California veterinarian Joseph Humble tells L.A. Times reporter Andrew Strickler that “Some people may enjoy pot, but I assure you dogs do not.” According to Strickler:
    The plant’s effect on canines is considerably less benign. Even a few grams can cause staggering, vomiting, urinary incontinence and, in severe cases, seizures and coma.
    For those who want to learn more about the dangers, a toxicology study published in Veterinary Medicine (June 2002) details the clinical signs, toxicity, and potential treatment of dogs who ingest marijuana. At the time the study was written by Caroline W. Donaldson, DVM, out of some 250 marijuana ingestion cases reported to the ASPCA, two animals had died.
    If animal control offiicers find your dog wandering around the neighborhood stoned while you’re at work, you risk putting yourself on the receiving end of criminal charges if law enforcement authorities trace Fido’s behavior and discover that you had illegal drugs in your possession.
    Even worse, who will be able to take care of your dog if you’re convicted on drug charges? What will your pooch think of you then?
    DogLaw.com sends our Woof of the Week.sm to all those responsible dog owners who make sure to protect their dogs –– and themselves –– from getting into trouble with their health and the law.


    Marijuana Toxicity in Pets



    The most common route of exposure to pet animals is oral. Unfortunately, there have been cruelty cases involving smaller animals, such as a cat placed under a large bowl or bucket and someone blowing their used smoke in with the cat, exposing the pet to toxic levels of THC. In dogs, clinical signs develop within 30-90 minutes after ingestion and even faster with smoke. The effects of the THC may last up to 72 hours. The most common clinical signs of toxicosis in the dog include depression, ataxia, bradycardia (slow heart rate), hypothermia (low body temperatures), vocalization, mydriasis (dilated eyes), muscular incoordination, respiratory depression, hypersalivation, vomiting, diarrhea, urinary incontinence, seizures and coma. The most consistent clinical sign in dogs is central nervous depression, usually appearing as if the dog was falling asleep. Additional clinical signs that may be seen include hyperreflexia (exaggeration of the reflexes), hyperesthesia (increased sensation in the nerves of the skin), and nystagmus (rotation of the eyes). It is rare that a lethal dose is taken, although the period of depression may be prolonged.
    Diagnosis is based on clinical signs and a history of exposure. Unfortunately due to the illicit nature of the drug, a history of exposure is often not forthcoming. THC is difficult to detect in body fluids because of the low levels at which it is found in plasma. Urine testing early in the course of exposure may help confirm the diagnosis.
    In the absence of a history of exposure to marijuana, diagnosis may be confused with exposure to barbiturates or opioid drugs, various poisons, hypoglycemia, or even encephalitis.
    When the history of toxicity is forthcoming, the goal is to remove the drug from the digestive tract through the induction of vomiting followed by the use of activated charcoal to prevent absorption. Additional treatment is primarily supportive. Comatose animals are usually treated with IV fluids, treated for the hypothermia and are given valium to control seizures when present.
     
  7. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    Substance use often harmful to animals

    Animals that ingest mood-altering substances such as marijuana, tobacco and alcohol can become ill or even die, according to veterinary literature. Although not harmful to humans in small doses, the same amount of the toxic substance can cause a much more harmful reaction in animals.

    Several months ago, a UNCW student brought her 6-month-old Jack Russell to the College Road Animal Hospital. The dog was stiff and appeared dead. Veterinarian Bob Weedon determined that the puppy was suffering from marijuana toxicity after allegedly consuming about 7 grams of the substance the night before.

    The dog was comatose and having seizures when it was brought in, Weedon said. He said he sees pets with marijuana toxicity about twice a year. The veterinary visit, re-check exam, medications and two-night hospitalization cost the pet's owner more than $180 plus the possibility of being turned in for possession of the illegal substance.

    "A choice had to be made between saving (herself) and saving the dog," Weedon said. "She made the right choice."

    The symptoms seen in animals with marijuana, tobacco or alcohol toxicity are similar to the effects seen in humans, except the symptoms are accelerated and multiplied due to differences in body size. The 10-pound puppy ingested an amount of marijuana equivalent to 105 grams—or 30 blunts—in a 150-pound human.

    "We have the choice as to whether or not we're going to use these substances," Weedon said. "The animals don't, and they don't have the intellectual ability to make that decision . . . Basically that's animal abuse."

    Animals forced to consume or inhale the smoke of the marijuana plant can exhibit nervousness, disorientation, trembling, vomiting, diarrhea and breathing difficulties, according to the Purdue University Veterinary Web site. The substance can be fatal if high amounts are ingested and if the animal is not treated in time.

    "Their eyes are huge, and they shake because they can't stop moving; it's scary," said Tomi Hill, a senior chemistry major. Hill saw several cases of substance toxicity while working as a veterinary technician at the College Road Animal Hospital.

    "I guess they eat it because it tastes good. So if people leave it out, they are going to get into it, " Hill said.

    Tobacco products can cause excitement, salivation, vomiting, muscle weakness and coma or death in animals, according to the American Animal Hospital Association Web site. The toxic effects of tobacco can develop within minutes. According to the Purdue Web site, the active toxin in tobacco is related to the toxins found in poison hemlock.

    It is difficult for Animal Control to prosecute people who give animals these harmful substances, said Judy Evonko, Animal Control Supervisor for New Hanover County.

    Animal rights attorney Mary Margaret Nunalee agrees with Evonko.

    "Although I have never seen a lawsuit or animal abuse prosecution for such activity, I do not doubt that—in the proper case and if it is caught—it equates to animal abuse," Nunalee said. "Part of the reason for the lack of judicial activity lies in the fact that our laws are inadequate."
     
  8. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    fucking LULZ
     
  9. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    This coming from someone who has never even smoked marijuana :rolleyes:

    Weak minded fools might become psychologically addicted to it, just like they become addicted to other things without true addictive qualities.

    I can't help them for being complete pussies. Once you have actual experience with marijuana vs. addictive substances, I might respect your opinion. Until then, you sound like another uninformed D.A.R.E. parent.
     
  10. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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  11. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    This might be true, but it's also one study. If it is true, I stand corrected.
    However I know the substance is remarkably non toxic in humans, and my only experience with animals is my lab running up to me and pointing her to ear to me to blow smoke in it. If I didn't, she would put her paw on my leg and whine incessantly until I did. Then she would go lay down, chill, and chew her bone all extra slow. Eating it is a lot harder to regulate, I've seen humans way overdo it with baked goods plenty of times, so it's not hard to believe that animals eating it would have a much stronger effect as well.

    I still stand by my belief that a couple puffs in the direction of a dog who visibly likes it is not some evil, immoral act that is going to kill the animal.
     
  12. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    Household pets experience illegal drug and alcohol abuse

    Pupils dilated, mouth dry and sprawled out on the couch too incapacitated to move, Fluffy lays stretching his paws, trying to regain enough balance to climb off the couch and stumble over to his bowl of food. Palo Alto High School junior "Jared," who, like all other sources in this story, wishes to remain anonymous, decided to switch Fluffy's catnip treat to cannabis.

    Giving household pets illegal drugs has recently become more common in Palo Alto.

    Many Paly students such as Jared find pleasure in giving their domestic pets the same illegal substances they use.

    "About two months ago I was smoking pot in my room," freshman "Lindsey" said. "I thought maybe it would be cool to blow smoke in my cat's face. He seemed to really enjoy it, so occasionally I'll blow smoke in his ears and let him enjoy the high with me."

    According to the California State Civil Codes, animal cruelty includes "any temporary or permanent physical harm resulting from the administration of any drug or chemical," making animal abuse a felony.

    "I don't think it's that bad to give my dog marijuana or any such thing," sophomore "Carson" said. "But I wouldn't give him acid or anything because he could have a bad trip and that would really suck."

    There are students who disagree with the law that giving pets a drug like marijuana and ecstasy should be considered animal abuse.

    "It's not like I am giving him meth," Lindsey said.

    These students do not see that giving their pets the same drugs they use recreationally could potentially harm their animals.

    According to experts, giving animals recreational drugs can have an effect worse than that of a human's.

    "It is recreational for people but not recreational for pets," Veterinarian Dave Roose of Adobe Animal Hospital said. "We don't get these cases very often, but usually you can tell from the dog's unusual behavior that it has been drugged. This problem was much worse back in the '60s and '70s, but still happens today."

    Drugs can potentially cause brain damage for animals, Roose said. This, however, does not prevent certain students from doing it.

    Although perhaps their initial goal is not to harm their own pet, it is a possibility that administering drugs could cause permanent harm.

    "It is proven for people that drugs like ecstasy and marijuana can harm the brain in a human and it's not much different for pets," Roose said.

    Often times, these situations occur when students themselves are intoxicated. Students that are under the influence of an illicit substance are much more likely to "smoke out" their animals or feed them drugs if they themselves are inebriated.

    "One time, I was really stoned and bored," Carson said. "I thought it would be funny to give my dog Adderall, but I only did it once because she kept walking into walls and falling over afterwards. She did everything really fast and was twitchy until she finally passed out in my bed."

    There are students, however, who agree that giving animals any substance should be considered animal abuse.

    "It's not fair because animals can't make their own decisions about whether or not to take drugs," junior Dan Schwartz said.

    Sometimes animals find drugs in the house and ingest them on accident. Such things occur when people fail to clean up a spill of alcohol or leave drugs on countertops.

    "One time, my dog ate an entire sack of marijuana," freshman "Susan," said. "I don't know how he got it, but I think he found it somewhere. He was really slow for the rest of the day and slept for a really long time."

    Parents should be aware of not only their children's drug use but their pets too. They should pay close attention to what their animals ingest and be careful not to leave dangerous things where their pets can reach them.

    "My cat loves whiskey," senior "Dave" said. "I poured some in his bowl once and he licked it all up. It was really cute to watch him stumble around and he really enjoys himself."

    The precise effect of drugs on pets remains uncertain. Doubtless, forcing animals to ingest drugs constitutes a crime that may lead to prosecution.
     
  13. babyhellfire

    babyhellfire Banned

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    Fuck you. You know nothing about me.
    You know nothing bout the years my hubby smoked pot... about how fuckin hard it was for him and ME when he relized he was addicted and strugled to quit. No it isn't like being addicted to heroin,and my hubby is not a "weak minded indiviual"-people DO BECOME ADDICTED TO IT.
    I watched him stuggle, i watched our relationship strain over his need for the substance, and you can excuse the fuck out of me for being honest about that here where you obiously know nothing about this issue.
     
  14. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    [SIZE=+1]Allergic inhalant dermatitis attributable to marijuana exposure in a dog.[/SIZE]

    Animal Dermatology Clinic, Garden Grove, CA 92643.

    Exposure to marijuana was believed to be responsible for clinical signs consistent with allergic inhalant dermatitis in a dog. The dog had facial and pedal pruritus associated with bilateral ocular discharge. Clinical signs resolved when the dog was kenneled, but returned when the dog was returned to its home. The results of intradermal skin testing, using a standard tray of 51 inhalant extracts, did not adequately account for the dog's clinical signs. Later, the owners indicated that previous residents of the owners' home had cultivated marijuana intensively inside and outside of the home. Intradermal skin testing with a source of marijuana pollen extract was performed, yielding a positive reaction in the dog and a negative reaction in another dog without clinical or historical evidence of allergic inhalant dermatitis. The affected dog was treated successfully and exclusively by hyposensitization with marijuana pollen extract.

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  15. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    I smoked and grew chronic for years, and yes I was moderately dependent but it ain't no thang to stop.

    Sounds like hubby just might be a little on the weak side?
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    [SIZE=-1]Two hundred and thirteen cases of marijuana toxicoses in dogs[/SIZE]


    [SIZE=-1]Marijuana (Cannabis sativa) is a commonly used recreational drug among humans; animals may be exposed following ingestion or accidental inhalation of smoke. From January 1998 to January 2002, 213 incidences were recorded of dogs that developed clinical signs following oral exposure to marijuana, with 99% having neurologic signs, and 30% exhibiting gastrointestional signs. The marijuana ingested ranged from 1/2 to 90 g. The lowest dose at which signs occurred was 84.7 mg/kg and the highest reported dose was 26.8 g/kg. Onset of signs ranged from 5 min to 96 h, with most signs occurring within 1 to 3 h after ingestion. The signs lasted from 30 min to 96 h. Management consisted of decontamination, sedation (with diazepam as drug of choice), fluid therapy, thermoregulation and general supportive care. All followed animals made full recoveries. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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  17. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    Alright bro, point taken. This might explain why the dog I had that loved the ganj was so stupid she couldn't learn to shit outside and I ended up finding her a new home.

    The dog I have now (weimaraner) is the smartest fucking animal I've been around, he's like a human. And he snorted at me when he smelled the smoke.

    edit: keep in mind all these studies are concerning oral consumption/G.I. tract absorbtion, not smoked or vaporized delivery..
     
  18. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    http://prime.peta.org/2008/11/the-five-most-common-hazards-for-your-animals—and-how-to-avoid-them

    4) Exposure to Medications and Drugs: I wrote in my last post about animal exposure to human medication, but I also wanted to focus here on what might seem like a humorous topic but is not: animal exposure to illicit drugs. You might be surprised to find that marijuana exposure is a very common problem in dogs, and yes, we vets can tell if your dog is stoned! Usually, it’s the kids who thought it’d be fun to give some to Max, and the parents have no idea. Fortunately, most dogs recover, aside from feeling lousy and confused, but the risk is just not worth it.
    This is another easy one to prevent. Do not have illegal drugs in your house, and be sure to talk to all members of your household about the potential harm that these substances can cause to your animal companions.
     
  19. babyhellfire

    babyhellfire Banned

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    dependent is probably a better word than addicted. He realized he needed it, he didn't like that, so he struggled to quit- there were side effects from quitting, a detox of sorts- that made it hard on both of us.

    Listen, I do not believe pot is terrible disgusting substance, i am not the dare mom type you are continually mistaking me for.
    I do believe it is a good thing, and have no problem with occasional recreational use.I might even indulge myself, if I wasn't so intolerant.
    - it def has its uses and its place.

    but it also has addictive qualities. I know that 1st fuckin hand.

    You are completely out of line for trying to call my husband weak for something your pot addled brain cannot comprehend.k
     
  20. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    Out of line? 90% of the world is under false impressions when it comes to this issue. There is not one single issue I can think of where everyone ignores anecdotal and scientific evidence in favor of misinformation and propaganda to such a degree. Then turn around and comment as though they know the ultimate truth, when they don't even have firsthand experience. And that's not directed at you entirely, but society in general.

    I take offense to it. People become habitual/dependent users sure. Just like people do with reading books, exercise, porn, chocolate, video games, religion, working, and I can go on.. The inherent problem lies in the mind of the user, the substance in question is more innocuous than tea. Humans are weak, habit-forming creatures in general. A plant is... a plant.

    This mind is not pot addled. And even when it was, I could still comprehend more than most people who weren't.
     
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