Pit Pei

Thank you! Her name is Attra Dea's Credit Approved CGN HIC, "Visa." She is a Belgian groenendael, called a Belgian sheepdog in the US.

 

Pitbulls and the various associated breeds are well known as being tough hardy breeds all breeds have certain genetic illness that can be associated with them some more than others.I agree it is iresponsible to breed a dog which is known to have health problems.
If you look back into the history of all breeds you will see that they are the result of mixed breeding The american pitbullterrier and the staffordshire bull terrier are the results of cross breeding.
The British bulldog is a prime example of how so called responsible breeders have ruined a breed and actually caused problems in the pursuit to create the perfect show dog.
Do not assume that if you buy a dog from a registered breeder you are going to get quality.And do not assume that people who own or breed unregistered dogs or mixed breeds are irresponsible dog owners.
Both my dogs are healthy and well looked after and neither will ever end up in a shelter.
My father inlaw owned a pedigree american pitbull and a german shepard cross stafford and they both lived past 16 years without any health problems.
I think that mixed breeds are generally hardier than pure breed dogs.
There are millions of mixed breeds and mongrels out there that have made perfect pets for people.
High horse comes to mind!

 

ALL breeds were created from mixed breeds, but in this day and age, it is not right to breed mixed breeds. The ONLY reason a dog should be bred is to better a breed, NOT to create more.

Shar peis are not a hardy breed, it is extrememly rare to find one without health problems, and even more rare to find one without health rpboelsm in it's pedigree. Do some research on them, they are prone to skin problems, "shar pei fever," kidney failure, swollen hocks syndrome, entropion, eye problems, allergies, renal failure, the inability to process and absorb certain protiens, etc. Pit bulls are usually healthy, but are prone to hip/elbow dysplasia, congential heart disease, cataracts, and allergies.

Purebreds do not have more problems than mixed breeds -- if you look at the statistic, mixed breeds actually have alot more problems -- the only difference is, people with mixed breeds are not as likely to treat the problem rather than have the animal put to sleep.

I never once assumed that a registered breeder produces quality. Registration has nothing to do with quality. However, all dogs that are going to be bred should be registered, and their offspring eligible.

Never once did I say that mixed breeds do not make good pets. I have had many mixed breeds throughout my life. However, if one wants a mixed breed, they should go to a shelter or rescue. They should not breed to create more mixes in order to have one, or go to a breeder and support the unethical breeding of mixed breeds.

And just because a breed is "generally healthy" does not mean it shouldn't be health tested and certified. Belgians are generally healthy too -- however, I still had mine hip, elbow, and eye certified. It is your responsibility as a breeder to ensure that your puppies have a higher chance of quality than the dogs that end up in shelters everyday. I have had dogs from both reputable and unreputable breeders or shelters. The only one who hasn't had health problems so far is the one from the reputable breeder. And while many of that can be blamed on environmental circumstances, and I'm sure some of it was, the majority of it was genetic, and through health certifying, a basic knowledge of breeding, and any intelligence at all, these problems could have been prevented, and I would not have had so many dogs dead.

In other words, X-dog can not be bred with X-dog and the puppies expected to turn out fine because "both breeds are usually healthy." A pit bull with hip dysplasia five generations back still has a higher chance of producing offspring with hip dysplasia, and a shar pei with skin problems five generations back still has a higher chance of producing skin problems. Whether or not the individual dog is healthy does not matter,. Never look at the dogs -- look at the pedigree and the offspring. Now these dogs have just created puppies with BOTH hip dysplasia and skin problems. Not what happens?

 

Please keep in mind this isn't a personal attack against you. I just need to throw my two cents in.

In my opinion, the only reason a person should ever breed their dog is to further the breed. That's it. Not because the dog is cute, is friendly, will be a good mother, your friends all want one, etc. There are too many dogs that are being euthanized every day (including Shar Pei/Pits! I've seen an incredible amount of them lately) that were the result of breeding dog A and dog B because the owner thought the pups would be cute, friendly, etc.

Every puppy being born takes away a home from a shelter dog. The only exception are puppies from responsible breeders, as some people are set on purchasing a well bred dog for conformation, obedience, herding, tracking, agility, etc. And even then, responsible breeders will always take back their pups, no matter what. Responsible breeders are responsible for ensuring that the puppy is in a happy home for it's ENTIRE life. A responsible breeder's dogs should never end up in a shelter, because s/he would have made it clear (and probably written in the contract) that the owner MUST return the dog if they decide not to keep it.

A vast majority of the dogs in pounds are from backyard breeders. And again, not to personally attack you, but if you breed two different breeds, you are a backyard breeder. You could be the nicest person in the world, with Champion titled purebreds that are perfect representation of their breed, and still be a backyard breeder for breeding two different breeds.

 

responsible pet ownership includes having your pets spayed or neutered. It does not include contributing to the overpopulation of unwanted pets. Are you prepared for the cost of vet bills and having all the puppies spayed or neutered? If not, you should rethink your little plan, and have your pet spayed before she accidentally becomes pregnant whether you want her to or not.

 

This thread ended up better than I thought.

Please also remember just because a dog is AKC registered doesn't mean that it meets breed standard. Do the BAER, OFA & CERF testing. Check back generations into the pedigree for hip dysplasia. Keep in mind there could be a water puppy, the bitch may need a c-section. All of this adds up to big money. So many things can go wrong with breeding. Check petfinder in your area to see how many pit/pit mixes there are waiting for homes.
Breed only for the betterment of the breed. Unless your working with the AKC to get another breed recognised it's just a mutt/designer breed.

 

Catahoula, what a beautiful animal! My kids are ahing and ooohing over her. Lovely. I also agree with everything you said about breeding, as well. I have an aquaintance who breeds and this spring, her bitch only had 3 live pups, she will be several thousand dollars in the hole on this breed. She may need to breed one of her other bitches, just to help pay the vet bills, of course, if this one has a small litter, or a large pup death rate, she will have MORE bills. Not to mention the sadness of stillborn pups, and those who don't make it. (IMO, she really isn't a responsible breeder, and has always had high pup death rates, but I think this is expected for the breed she has.)

 

Thank you! You can see Visa's website here. It's in need of updating, but it's got lots of pictures.. www.freewebs.com/creditapproved

Speaking of stillborn pups, a friend of mine has been waiting for a great dane pup forever -- the litter was born the other day, and every pup was stillborn. That must be horrible to experience, I'm glad it's not common in Belgians..