Pink Floyd

madcrappie, why the hell are you saying Pink Floyd is Art Rock!... go look under art-rock, and youll find stuff like Supertramp, Alan Parson's Project... Art rock is "rock" that just doesnt sound like the typical rock thats playing, and thats not completely progressive... (Piper at the gates was just psychedelic rock, and Saucerful of Secrets two.. Psychedelic British Pop Rock. But you could see the direction they were going in for their next album with the track "a saucerful of secrets") Pink Floyd are progressive, they progressed the music in a million ways, starting with their amazing experimental Ummagumma, now fuck you man.. that is defenitely not ART rock... and then Atom Heart Mother!!! If you find another song like that that is ART rock, that has amazing use of time signatures, classical, jazz, and complete prog-rock in it, and is over 23 minutes... please share it with us...

I know Pink Floyd doesnt sound like the typical Progressive Rock music.. like Yes, Camel, Genesis and so on... But they were part of the Sub-Genre psychedelic/space rock thats for sure (until Dsotm).. after that, well Dsotm is just Rock. but you can still see its more than mainstream rock bands... and after DSOTM, like Wish You Were Here and Animals, you have some proggy elements... after that, well I dont really give a shit, Ya, The Wall mightve fit in Art Rock, since it was crap... and everyting else after

 

first of all, supertramp is NOT art-rock. art rock consists of groups who had experimental and avante-garde influences and rely on sonic landscapes....... any krautrock band fits here, frank zappa....... king crimson..... brian eno......

prog rock consists of classically trained instrumentalists...... pink floyd werent classically trained. prog rock also consists of literary aspects (poetry and/or fantasy novels).... closest pink floyd got to this was animals, and george orwell's book. prog rock is more melodic than art rock, which pink floyd can fit in...... but one of the three doesnt make them prog rock. when you think of prog rock, you think of bands like jethro tull, yes, genesis and elp.

the two genres do intertwine though...... but to say that pink floyd is strictly a prog rock band is absurd... and its just pigeonholing a band.......

you do know that alan parsons worked with pink floyd, so of course both bands sound quite similair and both, could they not, be art rock bands???

personally, I dont think they fit any group, but to me, they are more art-rock than prog....... especially their early years 1968-1975. they were very experimental, had many avante garde influences such as Sun Ra (the biggest avante garde composer out there)

maybe you should do some research before insulting me.

 

Picky, picky. Progressive rock is any rock that progresses beyond the standards of the time. Usually with complex songage, which Pink Floyd does. I'd say Pink Floyd's the best progressive rock band. Art rock, kraft rock, space rock: it was all progressive, we don't need to over classify everything like electronica is.

 

you cant label them. thats all Im saying.

 

okay to you, if its crap, then its "art rock"........ you seriously do NOT know what you are talking about. you should do some serious research and listen to some real art rock bands....... and NO supertramp doesnt fit there. I never seen one instance where any source labelled them that. supertramp has been labelled as prog.

 

alright, so considering your standards, only jethro tull, genesis, yes and elp are prog... Alright folks, we have 4 prog bands in the world. nice man, amazing..

come on take those fingers off your eyes... Listen to Atom Heart Mother, and dont tell me that aint progressive, complex time signatures, shifting moods, hence, everything for it to be a prog epic... And come on. Krautrock being art/rock ... what are you on, did you ever listen to krautrock.. Amon Duul II, Ash Ra Tempel, thats pure space/psychedelic rock, and some Krautrock went to electronic prog (Tangerine Dream), but saying theyre art rock, thats kinda ridiculous...

And Alan Parsons working with Pink Floyd, yea I know that.. but dont come telling me that Pyramids, I Robot, Eye in the Sky, and all that sounded like Pink Floyd... Far from it, Alan Parsons made poppy music... And never really passed the range of 8 minute songs.

"especially their early years 1968-1975. "... dude what the hell, avant garde, avant garde like zappa, and all that? no way... their music in those years was atmospheric, long, complex, sometimes psychedelia and sometimes a little poppy... but to say its avant garde, you have to stretch it kinda far.

 

uhh yeah, I mentioned 4 bands as EXAMPLES. there are plenty more prog bands out there, but whats the point in naming all of them. once again, they are EXAMPLES.

so, you are saying any band that passes 8 minutes are considered prog, miles davis made epics, I guess he is prog?? and so is metallica, they made epics..... I can name tons of bands that had 8 minute plus songs.......I wouldnt consider them prog.....

 

no thats not what i said, I made an example two talking about minutes. and its cause in generalities many Prog bands have made long epics, and when thinking about Alan Parsons, none really come to my mind

 

Settle down, people...
Labels are for jars, not music.
The only label I would put on Pink Floyd is "music". Maybe "rock".

 

Pink Floyd weren't prog, they were just Pink Floyd. There earlier stuff (notably their stuff with Syd Barrett) was psychedelic, but they are a genre of their own. I mean, 'Dogs' lasts 17:04 and has four guitar solos. Who else could do that and make it into such an amazing song?

Prog is like Yes, King Crimson, ELP etc

 

Once again, Pink Floyd is progressive. They're just minimalists. This shouldn't discredit them from the genre.