Pick four for new Mount Rushmore

lol

 

Compared to FDR's gold policy, what Wall Street and the banks did to the global economy was a holocaust. They stole trillions of dollars, and not only got away with it, they got bailouts and bonuses instead of prison.

Shrub Jr. gave millioniares $3 trillion in welfare and charged it to the middle class tax payer. He also wasted $3 trillion on a war started with lies about yellow cake and involvement with 9/11. That war killed over a million innocent women, children and elderly.

And you're whining about FDR actually making money for the government, which helped bring us out of another republican caused economic collapse called the "Great Depression". Republicans sure are a bunch of morons.

 

If you do some research, you will find that the depression--which the Federal Reserve was supposed to prevent--was caused by the central banking system.

And seriously, you should study up on the issue. Do you actually believe that the only consequence of paying people twenty dollars instead of thirty-five for their ounces of gold was a loss of fifteen dollars per ounce of gold they held????

The refusal to convert paper dollars into gold meant that the government was “free” to flood the country with paper money and sabotage the currency’s value. The stability of the value of currency is one of the clearest measures of a government’s trustworthiness. Before Roosevelt took office, Americans clearly recognized the moral implications of inflation. Vice President Calvin Coolidge had bluntly declared in 1922: “Inflation is repudiation.” Inflation is a tax whereby government prints extra money to finance its deficit spending. The value of money is largely determined by the ratio of money to goods; if the quantity of money increases faster than the increase in the amount of goods, the result is an increase in the ratio of money to goods and an increase in prices. Thus, the government’s printing presses devalue people’s paychecks and effectively allow government to default on the value of its debt.

Go study the concept of inflation!

By the way, I'm not republican, nor democrat, nor anything.

 

Look man, we understand, the government robbing the people blind is nothing new, and mismanaged central banking can be a bad thing.

But shut up about the gold already, PLEASE, thank you, and fucking seriously.

We have serious governmental issues to worry about today, and the fact is the guy DID fucking win wwII, he did a lot of good, and compared to any recent president except MAYBE clinton, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

He took people's gold and then changed the price...... libor n' shit is simply declaring the value of nothing, and not even telling the truth about that value. Gold can now be owned and frankly I'd like to see em take it, so TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HELPS ANYTHING AT ALL.

 

Nice post. Not one rebuttal to one fact. You'll have to do better than that. So, shut up and do some rebutting already. You can start by countering my statement concerning gold theft and inflation. And you might follow up with something about how he didn't have foreknowledge of the attack on Pear Harbor. How many people died at Pearl harbor anyway?

If you have a problem with me talking about the things people are unaware of, then stay off this thread. Or, TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HELPS ANYTHING AT ALL!

So, to sum up, no, I would not pick Roosevelt as one of the faces we should put up on Rushmore!

By the way, I believe you're under the impression that if you exude a nasty facade, telling people to shut up, and saying the word "fuck" enough times, that it says something about your debating skills. And you're right; it does. I just believe that you're unaware of what it says.

 

It was caused by the banking system because of the republicans deregulation, which is the same thing that happened five years ago when Shrub and cons did it and caused another economic collapse.

You're not fooling anyone, you talk like a con, you have the ideology of a con, you're arrogant like a con, and you misinform like a con. Peddle your B.S. to the cons, they're the only ones dumb enough to believe it.

 

Gee, Bernanke even admitted that the great depression was caused by the Federal Reserve. It would appear that you are misinformed/uninformed. So, everything you just said about me, consider it said about you.

Now, rather than spitting out more insults, why don't you rebut my claim that the Fed caused the depression.

 

In 1929, the Federal Reserve insiders decided to jack up interest rates worldwide, causing a depression. The insiders knew what was coming. They stopped issuing loans and converted all their holding to cash.

At that time, the Federal Reserve did not publish its interest rate target to the general public. The Federal Reserve did not publicly state in advance whether it was planning to raise or lower interest rates. Even in the present, someone who knew in advance about a Federal Reserve move could profit immensely.

The insiders had converted their holdings to cash before the crash. After the crash, they were able to buy assets at a huge discount. Since they were unleveraged, they were able to borrow and buy up even more assets at the bottom of the Great Depression.

In 1933, President Roosevelt confiscated everyone's gold, defaulted on the dollar, and declared the USA bankrupt. The dollar was devalued relative to gold, from $20/oz to $35/oz. Since the dollar was no longer redeemable in gold, this allowed a further increase in the money supply. The insiders who borrowed to buy assets at the bottom of the Great Depression were allowed to default on their loans, repaying their debts with devalued dollars. Many loan contracts contained "gold clauses" requiring payment to be increased if the dollar were devalued relative to gold. Congress declared these "gold clauses" invalid, ripping off creditors and providing a massive subsidy to debtors.

http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/04/federal-reserve-caused-great-depression.html

And this is why I am opposed to Roosevelt's face on Mt. Rushmore.

 

If you care to continue on with this discussion, we'll pick it up here:

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=7315067#post7315067&f=36

It is a more appropriate setting.

 

Blaming the FED is just what a con would do, even though they know that the investment banks were bundling trilllion$ in bad loans to Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae. Cons would rather lie even when the truth is easier to tell, huh con.

 

We're talking about 1929. What kind of a con are you trying to pull, con?

And I told you where to pick up the conversation, connie.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/s...st7315067&f=36

 

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Its all been explained already boys, in full color !

 

Whatever it says about my debating skills, it puts me far above someone who can't tell who's on what side of a debate.

I told you, that was NOT A REBUTTAL, I agree, that was nasty of him.... I was asking you to fuck off and be quiet about it, you're bellyaching about something nearly a century ago that I do NOT believe even affected you, there's been far worse presidents, but we got it, you wouldn't put him on mt. rushmore.

So I don't know who you think you're debating, and WHAT you think you're debating with them, but I was simply asking you to say something interesting or shut up.

 

Two points:

1. As long as people come into this thread to defend FDR, I will debate them and set them straight. That's the idea behind the forum; you provide a point, and someone else provides a counterpoint. You say you're not sure who I'm debating. What? You're incapable of going back a post to see?

2. It would be great if you controlled things, wouldn't it? But you don't. So, fuck off and be quiet. Your bellyaching/whining is a little annoying--a little.

 

Here's something from post #69:
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If you care to continue on with this discussion, we'll pick it up here:

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/s...st7315067&f=36

It is a more appropriate setting.

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Maybe you'd care to cry to the person I addressed that post to. He might have more respect for your dislikes than I do. In fact, I'm sure he will!

 

1-Okay, I should not have tried to use sarcasm with you, you're obviously far to thick for it. To be more specific, you told me that I made a poor rebuttal, when it fact, it was not a rebuttal-this is an example of you not being able to tell who is actually debating, OR what side I would be on, if I WAS debating.

2-This is a rather self-defeating argument, as you have no more control of my posting than I have of yours. I gave a good argument for you to fuck off, you made a rebuttal with poor logic..... as far as that debate, I do seem to be ahead :2thumbsup:

 

Two points:

1. If you're not intersted in debate, stay the fuck out of this thread!

2. If you really wanted me to fuck off, you would not have stupidly performed the thick-headed, self-defeating act of re-starting this thread after days of inactivity on my part. Not too smart, huh? Now . . . fuck off!

 

Settle down,men. I pick the 3 stooges and gw bush.

 

Good choices! However, I would, as I had said earlier, pick the Professor, the Skipper, Gilligan, and Thurston Howell III.

The three stooges would have been my second choice, though.

 

I might have had an opinion if I was not fucking off somewhere.