Philosophers

Yes morals are subjective. Isn't concluding a certain stance as good and act upon it like developing a personal moral?

 

I think it is impossible for an individual not to have any personal morals.
Even though life has no purpose, it does not mean you aren't part of it and have certain ideas and morals, even though you believe they are void.

 

I agree but to act upon them to save the world seems not a nihilistic approach to me.

 

Yeah it does seem not very nihilistic, but I don't think nihilism means you should go cry in a corner being negative. To me it means to embrace and enjoy life without giving any truth or purpose to it.

 

Neither to me!

 

Nihilists believe everything is pointless and meaningless, so that's quite a strong belief!

 

Life does too have a purpose! It's quite excellent, and good.

1. to reach out, and touch your thoughts

Understand?

And there's more. But take the time to understand, really think about it and understand.

 

I became a nihilist after my pain went way too deep. I'll always have a nihilist strand in my DNA now (unless space aliens decide to recode me). Sigh... it's a long story. Anyway, here's Sonic Youth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rZtpO2AmDE"]Sonic Youth "Anti-Orgasm" - YouTube

I believe in nothing too but that's because I know what it is.

 

Sorry, but I fail to understand.

 

You have to REALLY think about it!!

What I don't understand is when there is a 1. where is the 2.? It seems she left some critical info out...

 

I will give it a good think and come back to this thread later to post my findings.

 

I love the dance of words. With a fan's yell, she cried more more more! ha.

Yes, it's true .. republicans harbor the antichrist on account of

1. they really think the pills are medicine
2. the profits are astronomically awesome
3. today's prophets bore too man holes

(like kryptonite)

I once cried out to Paul to save me. Here I sit so it must have worked.

Dead Can Dance .. a recent discovery in my little world. A sentence in a passage of a post jogged my mind and so, with my nearly uncontrollable impulse reflex, I deposited the treasure that is DCD. I didn't know if it fit well or not and I admit .. at the time, I was dizzy. I'm well acquainted with my oblivion.

 

It does fail instant gratification, true. Gotta take the time to understand (but I already mentioned that) .. IF you want to understand. If you don't want to then you won't take the necessary time. Entirely up to you.

I'm super curious.

Will the thumbs down person please come forward and explain themselves? What's the great offense? Dare ya. I double dare ya.

 

You forgot to say perhaps. lol

 

Oh yes, I definitely think it is. And this is a question that deserves a serious answer. After all I have had a lot of fun in this thread. The 4 or 5 points as to what it takes to be a philosopher are true---once you take out the satire. And it is true that I have read and have been told that if you can hold your own in philosophical arguments in the coffee shops around Montmartre that you can gather a following and never have to seek serious employment (though depending on how you approach it---philosophy could be a very serious employment). And it is true that we were warned many times that if we venture around Montmartre we could very likely run into pickpockets and other criminals, and were told by others that Paris is safe all over except Montmartre (and wouldn't that was one place I definitely wanted to visit... Next time I'll go there----and if you want to check out some of the latest music to come out of that neighborhood----listen to Zaz, she's got some good songs...).

So yes---even the post in which I responded to ginalee14's music, I was having fun with in a half-serious way.

But now that I am serious, before answering this, I must clarify one thing. Tikoo wrote,

He, along with many others could see through my dark persona, and know that as dark as that post seemed----it is not the true me. I have experienced far too much in sweat lodges, yuwipi ceremonies, Sun Dances, on the hill in Vision Quests, and praying with the sacred pipe to give in to the dark and cold deadness of physical existential reality. There was a time when I had concluded through all my searching that maybe material existence was all there was. The implications didn’t sit right with me, but, I had no proof of anything different. Since then, a couple of odd experiences have put me on the Red Road, and I have pierced the veil separating this reality from the next too many times to escape the fact that no matter how dark this world may become, death will take us home to a whole another meaning-filled existence.

Granted, that dark picture I painted of mankind’s decay into a lonely and sad annihilation is certainly a potential future that stands before us. (Except that I do not believe in any all-powerful Devil that threatens us from the dark side of a dualistic universe. Rather I believe in a multiplistic universe.) This dark nihilistic possibility is something that, as we stand at the crossroads, we must certainly face. But I think Tikoo and many others know that I am very optimistic about our future. In fact I see undercurrents running through Modern culture—evolutions, if you will—that will help resolve the Post-Modern Crisis, and carry us to the next level of our development.

But, yes, this is the Age of Nihilism---which is why we are facing the Post-Modern Crisis.

Bird migration, made a point about a nihilist:

But in a time where there are many nihilists, i.e. the Age of Nihilism, it follows that if many people have concluded that morals, values, and truth cannot be known, then the logical conclusion throughout society, whether apparent or not, is that there are no morals, values, or truth. (I would also add the side note to the discussion that one could believe in subjective truth and values, and that such things are not universal, without being a nihilist.)

This is the Post-Modern Crisis in a nutshell. Modern man lives in a culture where there is no Unifying Truth--or what Post-Modern theorists refer to as a Unifying Myth. I call it a truth, because from the perspective of that culture, it is an undeniable truth.

The point was made that we still have Christians. Yes, and I walk the Red Road. But it doesn’t matter, because science long ago replaced the church as the Unifying Truth of Industrial Age culture. World War I, World War II, the Atomic Age, and so many other follies of man, have demonstrated that science failed as a unifying truth, leaving us without one. The New Age and its dissecting of ancient spiritual traditions from much of their original context to be melded in an overly-rationalized hodge podge of a man-made religion (or dare we say, superstition), is just such an example.

And thus it manifests all through culture, with many not even understanding why, as they commit crimes, or seek meaning, go through existential crisis, or just hide behind the emptiness of life by way of any number of addictions. But for most, they simply struggle to survive in an alienating world, oblivious to the lack of meaning in their lives---afraid to ask the deepest questions of, ‘Why?’

 

If you need more convincing consider this post of mine:

 

The Post-Modern Crisis is the shell of a nut.
Moral imperative is everywhere evident.

There is good for me and I must have it.

 

i have an eccentric history in philosophy . my first anon. appearance
was with the original MSN Philosophy forum . it's long dark now . i
was the second to the last ever to post there . a glorious lunatic
was the end , the end . i am happy remembering that explosion of
brilliant genius color .

 

U.G Krishnamurti, an enigma--a person who defies all classifications--a philosopher, a Non-guru, guru, call him what you may. But, once you have read even a few words, seen a photo of his, your psyche will never be the same.

http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/

He says that what unites Humanity is terror. I spent a half a day reading the website, disagreeing with the most of his ideas and beliefs.

I found him to be a man of the house of darkness. The dark side.

I think of nihilism in ways other than how it is commonly defined. I think of it as the *destruction* (annihilation, annihilate, nihilism) of morality and love. If love is a vital energy and if hate is deadly .. then hatred is the death of love. Lack of love is a lack of vitality. Abundance of hatred is living death. But do we love it? Are we so morbid that we love it? Life like Halloween, and a haunted house.

Hope and optimism .. is there reason to believe, through all the catastrophe and conspiracy, that vitality can be restored after death?

As long as haters don't smash hope and optimism (one of their favorite things to do), I think there's a chance.

Why beat morale down into the ground? Moral and morale are two closely related words.

A philosopher like UG might appeal to some but I don't think his guidance can float the boat, or steer rightly.

Here's an example of his nihilistic (loveless) beliefs:

We are not created for any grander purpose than the ants that are there or the flies that are hovering around us or the mosquitoes that are sucking our blood.

We are no more purposeful or meaningful than any other thing on this planet.

I don't want to live in a world of people who all think, believe and feel that way. Plus, they're not truths.

 

I would call him a man.
Far from enigmatic he was cultivated for his role from childhood by the theosophists. He had an education along the lines you might see for a reincarnated dalai lama child. Personally he was frustrated in a tangled love affair and his supposed rejection of his assigned role was out of spite more than wisdom. I say supposed rejection because it is obvious that he took advantage of peoples beliefs that he was a new world teacher and made his living in association with the energy of others through speaking.

The specific comparisons would frankly be more interesting than your life story...tehe

The mind is always illumined and we are all so enlightened. Radiance and rhythm is what we are and no one is locked into the downbeat. How do you perceive the light from a single candle in the light of the sun?,
cast a shadow. Darkness is not a substance but obscuring shadow cast by things we insist are substantial.

Why lean to hope or optimism, reality supports it's constituents and the clear perception of it reflects power and joy. The only thing that can be harmed are our illusions about it. Take heart however in disillusionment there is cause to keep seeking having discovered our previous learning to be suspect.

The sentimental life looks like this;
No matter your degree of supposed accomplishment in life, your experience will consist of a series of sensations some of which you may call pleasant and some not so although you needn't call them either.

No one has a hand on your tiller but you. Hero worship distracts from the apprehension of wisdom.

There is a difference between grandiosity and grandeur. You do live and you do want to live regardless your level of contention. There is no such thing as a loveless belief as everyone has a level of devotion to their beliefs. The inclination to invoke good is what we are, (love,) as we come to this world seeking it, your fine free self. What you are is beyond what can be taught but we can remove the barriers we have erected against the perception of it.

We are part of a law without opposite both created and creative.