Pharma-backed legislation to allow secret vaccinations of children without consent

Come on, polio is not spread via fat people.

I've also read numerous articles comparing American hygiene to European hygiene, and the general concensus is that Americans are too clean. If anything, we need to stop overusing sanitizing agents because they prevent the body from building up a natural immunity.

The native americans ate "organically", lived in harmony with the earth, did everything you are saying prevents disease, and Europeans basically killed them off with smallpox.

Why? Because their bodies had no immunity. Which is the very basis of vaccines, give a person a small dose of something and their body will learn to recognize it and fight it.

This is not a bad concept. This is a life-saving concept.

Granted, some diseases would not have existed in native american populations if the Europeans didn't come to America, but in this day and age you can't really base your feelings on disease on that particular concept. Airborne bacteria can now make it around the world as fast as a plane can fly.

However, statistically the money spent researching and later administering the HPV vaccine is not worth the lives it may or may not save.

Women that smoke are twice as likely to develop cervical cancer than nonsmokers. So amongst the 12,280 people diagnosed with cervical cancer in 2007 in the US (source: CDC) some of those may or may not have been caused by HPV and some may or may not have been caused by smoking.

If the HPV vaccine becomes mandatory for ALL American girls between 10-19, which I don't think will happen but theoretically....(and I use the age 10-19 because the cencus bureau breaks it down in those age groups) the estimated 21 million girls in the 10-19 age bracket will collectively earn Gardisil (at $120 a pop) a grand total of $2,520,000,000 in profit.

Yet only 12,280 (give or take) of those girls would grow up to develop cervical cancer. So the HPV vaccine would theoretically prevent just 0.058% of all American girls between the age of 10 and 19 from developing cervical cancer, except of that 0.058% that would later grow up to develop cervical cancer, some would develop it from other risk factors such as smoking!

Gardisil is bullshit. Are all the parents paying $120 out of pocket to get their daughters vaccined incapable of computing that math?

 

I don't know shit about Gardisil .... and I agree with your math.

But my guess is if it is your daughter that dies from cervical cancer, you wish you'd dished out $120. If that stuff works of course ....

 

I just realized my math is a little faulty because I only included cancer rates from one year, when really you would have to compare the cancer rates of an entire age group over a number of years, but still...

And yes you're right, parents may not care about impersonal math on a personal basis.

 

I posted a news article that I found interesting about something happening in the United States. But you can take the vaccination or do not. It really is not my problem.

 

lol what? if by "the" vaccination you mean Gardisil, you clearly did not read my post.

If you say contraversial things, people will debate with you. Thats kinda the purpose of a forum...

 

Yeah.

First you posted an article that said and/or implied lots of unfounded things that are NOT TRUE about american government and law, as though this is some sort of secret vaccination program, involving duct taping kids down and jabbing them with rusty used needles collected from the local jail. And then you went and called a nation that I suppose you've never been to disgusting and unhealthy, because there are overweight people.

Kinda funny, I don't agree with them, because of course there are americans just as bad as you, but you seem to be one of those stuck up shits that gives rednecks shit to talk about europe.

 

this story is older then dirt.

several years ago here in texas, our shit for brains governor rick perry, tried to push a bill through the state legislature on this very same matter... he failed big time!

now perry is up shit creek and his paddle just might break.
perry is under investagation by both the state and federal governments for ethics volitions.
he damn will could be facing criminal charges that, could end his presidental campagin and cause him to lose his governorship as well.

politicians may be alot of things; most of them, are not going to do anything to kill off their own careers.

as for the natural news... IT IS BIG TIME BAD NEWS!
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mcafee and other watchdog sites, give natural news a red flag warning for using adware and spamming.
uke:
be careful boy and girls before you click onto that natural news website... you might get a mailbox full of spam for just about forever.
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I'm not american and you can insult me all you are able. It is just Internet. I do not care.

 

Secret vaccinations are always wrong..

 

Which is, if you'd kept reading, exactly what I said there. It only looks like I'm implying you are if you cut out that part.

You're not american, and have nothing positive to say about anyone, but at least confine it to your government, kthx.

 

I will say what I like. I am not hurting anyone and I am not asking anyone to hurt anyone. Also I do not have a "government" and I have lot of positive things to say about a lot of people.


I am also talking in the parenting section, love and sex section and naturisme section.

 

I wouldnt stand for secret vactinations however when I was a kid I had my vactionactions and I think they are requied by law in ND before you are admittted to school. If I would have had kids I would have had them vaccinated as well as. Myu moms generation didn't have any and she missed the entire senior year because of polio. She spent a long stretch in an iron lung. She lost use in one of her arms/hand because of that. I think that period in her life bothers her yet. Your playing roulette by not getting vaccintated. Some are preventative and some are to lessen the severarity, flue shot is an example..

 

SNL "commercial" for a doll that administers the HPV vaccination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8SR9a1Mbg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8SR9a1Mbg

 

Oh good lord

 

What the... NO. Just NO!

 

Well yes, you're right.

Thread title is misleading, article it uses as source is full of outright LIES and viruses, to boot.

 

Hippy Chick, an intelligent, accurate response to what Meliai has said here, would be much appreciated. Just what is the argument anti-vaccinators make about the fact the many indigenous populations across the world were affected so badly by diseases such as smallpox after being colonised by Europeans? They lived in harmony with the earth!

 

I completly support this and do not think a kid should be forced to go unvacinated by their parents.

Just because you had the kids doesn't mean you get to endanger them. That 'my kids' argument is absurd.

 

Why do you support a vaccine that protects a very small percentage of the population from a cancer that isn't always neccessarily caused by the virus the vaccine is preventing?

 

Specifically, I'm staunchly opposed to the anti-vaccine sentiment.

There are 12,000 newly diagnosed cases a year and about 4,000 deaths a year in the US from cervical cancer. 70% of the cases are caused by HPV types which are imunized by the HPV vaccines.

There are other cancers and health concerns associated with HPV, but yes, it's still a small percentage of the population. about 6% of the amount of new cancers are cervical.

I don't really understand your appeal to the obscurity of the disease argument in this case.