Petition Charles Clark to resind the DNA ID card.

nah i didn't mean YOU were off topic i meant me!!

I got all hot and flustered over the mention of a bit of rough...

sorry, i will leave now:&

 

The ID card will be liberating a lot of people of their hard earned wages ... Not just individuals, but imagine a family of 5 with teenagers. That is one hell of a bill on ID cards.

Define ethnicity. Its more than skin colour, religion, place of birth, parentage and CLASS are all things that make up someone's ethnicity.

 

Now that you've admitted you were wrong, yeah we can

 

No Dok my first post was mis-interpreted ...
... It was merely my un PC statement that made your highly liberal mind work overtime .. You and others jumped to conclusions .

but anyway .... enough, we all understand each other now i hope. Doe you think what i was saying now that you understand what i meant has any merit ?.

 

Nope. Your origninal post was a massive generlisation. If you meant something else, then you should've explained yourself more clearly

I'm still not entirely clear what you're saying, actually.

 

well i believe the actual ID card will be around 15-20 pound along with the usual price of a passport ... granted you have to have a ID card so the price of the passport is obligatory. I very much doubt the full cost for all the family will have to be out layed all in one go . I do think that the goverment will subsidies any family that can not afford the cost.
I was going to be flippant and say , well start saving NOW , but thats not fair .. although if your realy troubled you could. The price is a issue , but not a great one imho.

I was not mentioning any of the things that you mention..i don't care what who you are ... every one is under the umbrella of lazy bastard. I mention council estates , because i hope from further post you have read that i came from one. i have personal experiance as to what goes on in them.. i apreciate their are degrees and some have no problems at all.. but i am just looking at the known abuse that arises from such places and if this problem is the only thing ID cards solved .. then i would be happy.

I take intrest in your thought

see hopefuly even more money saved, but you were not very lucid in how these people abuse the system ?

Yes because it is abused.

 

Yes i should have, your right. I have written some more..if you still do not know what i mean i will happily explain.

 

about £85 each actually for the passport £35-40 without

Yeah but it was a sweeping generalisation you made, however it seems that you have since retracted it.

I don't need to be, that wasn't the issue. The issue was your sweeping generalisation about how everyone on council estates abuses the 'system' If you want to start a thread about high class tax fraud, expense account fraud or insurance scams then please feel free to do so.

No the system spawns inequality, filth and poverty regardless of whether it is abused or not. How much money do you think that this country has at its disposal and how do you think it is used?

Actually what do you mean by "the system"? are you simply referring to the welfare state? I actually meant the way the whole country is managed.

Overall, the ID card idea is a £3billion+ scheme designed to combat a £50million fraud problem ... where's the logic in that?

 

so now it sounds like you're saying everyone who claims benefits is lazy

Assuming we're talking a billion being "1000 million" rather than the UK billion of "1 million,million"

3billion = 3000,000,000 divide that by 50,000,000 ... it would take 60 years to get back the money. By that time the technology will be well out of date

 

What do you mean by 'combat' them exactly? Don't you agree that most people don't work because they can't get jobs? And what do you mean by 'subsidised council estates' exactly? If they're claiming benefits, then presumably their rent is coughed up in the form of housing benefit, so surely they're actually saving the tax payer money by living in council houses since rent is substantially higher in the private sector?

 

I haven't actually met anyone from a council estate that dosn't work for a living i think *ponders* Unless you count stay at home parents as not working, which I don't.

When I was claiming benefits I lived in a bedsit with junkies... oh the good old days

I wonder what percentage of the non working population actually does just choose not to work...

I guess I kindof chose not to work for a while because I was sick of working behind bars getting touched up all the time and eventually went on a DSS funded course thing where they pay for a bus and train travel card and give you an allowance for a meal each day:sunglasse

I guess I was a lazy bastard... but I didn't live in a council flat... so was it me you were targetting... am confused

as you were...

Love Clairexxx

 

Yup. Council houses are cheaper to rent than private houses. Unemployed people have their rent paid. It therefore follows that by living in council houses, they're actually saving the tax payer money (especially seeing as the council is paying the rent back to itself!).

 

I live in a big 1 bedroom council flat about a mile from Canary Wharf. My rent is just over £60 a week ... which makes it peanuts as far as London property prices go.

 

You've met me ... I'm subsidised by a bursory from the General Social Care Council and a student loan

Guess that makes me a lazy no good tax dodging scumbag ... like I really give a shit

Issue me with an ID card and it'll make absolutely no difference at all ... I'll still be entitled to the same stuff.

 

Hang on....... you're living off my taxes!!!! Hmmmm. I don't seem to care. Perhaps I need to read a few more Daily Mails?

 

I do get the point you are trying to make here. I guess you are saying that people should work and contribute financially to system we live in to be able to benefit from it. The dole etc should be a support for those that need it. Not a choice for those that choose to live outside the system.

The only problem I have with your point is that it was badly made... but we've moved on from that I hope.

The problem is that there are many people who's mind sets dont easily fit into our restrictive society. When you dont fit into it this world can be a struggle.

If you get me.

 

Yes this should have been my first post, but it would probably have caused the same amount of negative response..maybe because i was trying to put a positive onto the ID card system. I think i realised how ever i had worded it it would have been scoffed at .... wich is fine ... so i wasted no time realy articulating it in a manner that no misinterpretations could have been made, this is a impossible task around here (well for me anyway ).

Yeah i hope so, in a way i have thought about what i am saying and what i think about this more , just to justify my point.. so in a way i like my thought even more.

I do get you claire , i would love to jump of the tread mill for a while and re train or do something more than what i am doing now. I am not a lazy bastards for thinking this way , neither are the people that actualy do it.... if you get ME .