Penn State Child Sex Scandal: Sandusky Guilty!

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  1. Mitja The Hippie

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    sometimes i'm ashamed to be human
     
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  3. yarapario

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    Think of Mother Theresa, or the Dali Lhama, or Nelson Mandella or any number of people who tip the balence back to the good.
     
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  5. skip

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    Would you prefer I start a thread entitled "Was Michael Jackson a Child Molester, with a poll?"

    What you folks don't understand is that many child abusers are JUST LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON. They profess they "love" children, and treat them royally. That should be the red flag right there. Treating a kid like someone they're IN LOVE with, rather than just a kid.

    Instead of seeing it for what it really is, pederasty, fans of Michael Jackson, just like fans of Penn State Football team, don't want to face reality.

    Any male adult who spends so much time with kids, especially of one sex and one age group, and has no legitimate need to be with them, and spends money on them lavishly (more than their own parents would), and Also has unsupervised SLEEPOVERS with kids at their house is very likely abusing those kids.

    There is no other logical explanation for that behavior. Got it?

    Guess what? Just like Michael Jackson, Jerry Sandusky has said how much he "loves kids", and even created a whole foundation that would bring them to him. Michael Jackson also created a foundation to help kids. And he also surrounded himself with those kids. Both had many sleepovers with kids.

    Fans of Jacko are just like fans of Sandusky and Penn State, these popular figures can do no wrong! Their fame provides a certain immunity.

    Do you want me to continue to draw parallels for you? Continue to connect the dots that should be obvious to all?

    Don't you realize that your reactions to my naming Michael Jackson is what enabled him (just like Sandusky), to continue abusing kids?

    Oh, no, not Jacko! He LOVED kids, he would NEVER harm them! Welcome to Cognitive Dissonance, people.

    See you still don't get it. Of course he never "harmed" kids. At least in his own mind, he never did.

    As far as I'm concerned any kid who ended up alone with Michael Jackson is scarred for life, even if Michael never laid a hand on him. Michael was a weirdo all right, and his true nature should be apparent.

    On the other hand, I'm sure his charities did do a LOT OF GOOD, as did Sandusky's. And if you really want to be fair, and not a lynch mob, you should balance the good with the bad (as you would for anyone).

    And so Michael Jackson's overall ledger is far on the GOOD side, imo. It's not like he MURDERED anyone, which imo, is far worse than touching a child. Sandusky didn't murder anyone as far as we know either.

    Unfortunately, today's society is incapable of rendering a fair verdict on a child molester since they are viewed as WORSE than a murderer, in fact it's probably the most despicable crime, and the public can't see shades of gray when it comes to it.

    In fact I don't think society can differentiate between someone who molests a child and someone who molests a child and then kills them. There is no difference in the public's eye.

    That is why ppl refuse to admit what Michael Jackson really is. Because that would make him the perp of the most despicable crime in our society. Again no gray area for Michael to hide in...

    And for those of you who think that someone who has kids of their own (like Jacko and Sandusky do), would not be a child molester, you need to THINK AGAIN! Most molestations are done by family members.
     
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  7. Vettester

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    Well posted Skip, Thanks.
     
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  9. aliced

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    You are correct that the students, alumni, and fans were upset about Joepa… but that is because you most likely watched or read the news which focused on Joepa instead of the problem at hand. This case is terrible and will leave a permanent scar on the university. Unfortunately, the media covered the sex scandal like tabloids cover celebrities… no investigative reporters… all opinions and here say.

    At PSU there was a candle light vigil for victims of child abuse… particularly the one’s Sandusky was involved with. It happened last Friday in the place of the pep rally for the seniors’ last home game. Also, there was a moment of prayer before kick off (110,000 people) for the victims and families. One more thing, fans in the game were wearing a different shade of blue, just like in the NFL they wear pink, to raise awareness.
    http://www.whptv.com/news/local/sto...candlelight-vigil/9wG5BLQ4C0-Qdd8K7vz-1Q.cspx


    Comedy is a common way of dealing with stress/grief. (Though the joke may not be appropriate)

    Skip… I never realized your sentiments towards a university you probably are not familiar with or people you most likely don’t know. Somewhat close minded for the mod of a “hippie forum.” I graduated from PSU and I never heard of Sandusky until last week. From what I gather, he resigned from his position as defensive coordinator in 1998. The media sold the story well, used Joepa to get headlines and then dictated the course of action. If there is a sex ring… that should be on the news.

    To those on the PSU hate band wagon, remember, PSU is not Sandusky.
     
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  11. skip

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    Yes, Sandusky did resign. Ask yourself; why? That was part of the coverup by the administration who didn't want the scandal to get out. Got it?

    Yet, he still had access to the University, the football lockeroom, the showers. With his OWN KEY no less. And that is where he committed more crimes against children. And the University elite enabled this.

    And then later in 2002 or 2005 can't remember, his KEY was taken away and he was banned from the locker rooms. WHY? No mention was ever made about it. That was after the incident where an assistant reported Sandusky fucking a 10 year old in the shower. So the University engaged in a SECOND COVERUP!

    And Paterno and the University President and the Chief of Security all KNEW and covered-up the abuse and are all equally liable. Some say they are as guilty as Sandusky. They are certainly guilty of criminal conspiracy to coverup crimes by one of their own.

    Now you say you never heard of Sandusky. See how well they covered up his crimes!

    And now Penn State must and will pay millions out to the victims. All because of Fucked Up priorities by administrators, if indeed they themselves were not also involved in this.

    And let's remember one more thing, all you JoePa lovers, Sandusky was HIS BEST FRIEND! How could he NOT KNOW what he was up to? How could he be oblivious to all the things I've already pointed out that should've raised red flags?

    It was either to protect the school, the sports program, his own reputation or he's just as guilty of abuse. In any case he enabled a criminal to continue to commit crimes against children. And for that he should be punished and reviled...

    And any University where sports is the most important part of life at the college, is a fucked up place, imo.
     
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  13. aliced

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    I'm not saying the scandal didn't happen or the people involved are not wrong. All the facts about the alleged cover up will come out soon enough (court), then I will make an informed opinion.

    My main point about Joepa has nothing to do with his innocence or guilt with regards to the scandal. Nor about his closeness to Sandusky. My point is the media used Joepa's name to sell their headlines. Joepa did not sexually abuse any children. Yet, google Paterno sex scandal and you get 147,000,000 hits. Now google Sandusky sex scandal... 1,850,000 hits.
     
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  15. skip

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    How do you know that? How COULD you know that?

    That is NOT a proven fact, and probably can never be proven, however the opposite might proven be one day.

    You're allowing FAME to blind you, just like all the Michael Jackson fans are pretending to be blind to his activities.

    That attitude again, is what enables these molesters to continue their activities for decades.

    How sad...

    And FYI, the media is NOT THE ISSUE. Don't make it the issue, because that's just another way to avoid the truth.
     
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  17. psychedelicpiper

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    Skip, it looks like even the most blatant evidence won't make you see Michael's innocence. And it's not like I'm defending him just because he's famous. Proof of how much I'd hate to be in Michael's position.

    Sandusky had seriously strong urges and did things with kids on school property. If Michael was a child molester, I doubt he'd be able to withhold from taking it out on his own children. His kids were scarred by the media and his death, not anything else. Culkin also defended him, from what I recall.

    I even recall reading that the accuser's description of Michael's genitals didn't even match his. Gross, but eh, if you want more proof....

    Once again, don't mean to change the thread subject, but no need to bring up MJ in the first place. Expect opposition when bringing that topic up in such a way. Your whole post had to with theorizing and judging him as a "weirdo". My posts actually gave evidence.

    Now let's move on, eh?
     
    psychedelicpiper, Nov 14, 2011
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  19. skip

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    Another "coincidence" between Sandusky and Jacko:

    They both said they are still "children" themselves...

    Another red flag!

    Do you consider yourself still a child?

    Culkin defended Jacko. That's meaningless. Again FAME BLINDS. If Culkin actually revealed what went on between them IN THE SAME BED, people would say he's either lying or a "homo". There was nothing to be gained for Culkin to reveal what really happened. He was already rich, and didn't need to blackmail Jacko.

    And if they DID do something together, whose to say they didn't BOTH enjoy it...

    You gotta understand the deep psychology involved with child molesters and their victims.

    You have to wonder how some kids get abused OVER AND OVER and never report it.

    Think about why that happens! Then try to understand how someone FAMOUS like Jacko could do it over and over...

    Like EVERY single adult male wants to sleep with kids, wants to have their own kids without even fucking a woman, will even go so far as to have kids who aren't even genetically related...

    How many red flags need to be raised before they rise above the Blindness caused by FAME and FORTUNE?

    OK, here's something to PONDER...

    What was Jacko's sexual orientation then? Did he EVER have sex with a grown woman? If not, Why?

    Oh, I forget, Jackson was married, so he LOTS of sex with his wife, right?

    And remember when Jackson claimed he was Brook Shield's boyfriend and dating her? She even had to deny it publicly. What a fucking LIAR he was!

    Oh, but no, Jacko never lied! He never touched a kid inappropriately. He only made dozens of videos where he touches HIMSELF inappropriately! Videos that KIDS love to watch!

    Get real Michael Jackson fans! He was a PEDO! However, that does not make him EVIL. He was just HUMAN, a very weird fucked up one, but still human.
     
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  21. psychedelicpiper

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    WOW, you seriously just don't want to let this go, now do you? And honestly I'm now of an "adult" age, but I still consider myself a kid. So that's a "red flag" then!? Does that make me a pedophile, too!? HUH!? :mad: Jesus even calls us to be like children.

    Jackson was a heterosexual, too. Look at the amount of love songs he's written, and there's definitely evidence from people who knew him hitting on women. I think he hit on Beyonce at a party, from an interview I remember.

    Once again, you're offering biased conjectures and not dealing with the obvious evidence against him being a pedophile that I offered in my posts. Some people are just stubborn....

    Just let it go man. I'm willing to let it go, because I see you won't change your mind. There's no point in continuing. If you want me to stop talking about it, then you'll have to as well.

    Let's go back to Sandusky, who had very obvious evidence towards him for being a pedophile. I think it actually said he turned himself in?
     
    psychedelicpiper, Nov 14, 2011
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    Ability to write love songs does not make one a hetero... look at Freddy Mercury... Elton John...

    The issue at hand is the Penn State situation... the pattern of harboring an abuser by virtue of his celebrity or authority. Paterno enabled the abuse by doing nothing when confronted with it- he got some measure of what he deserved. Perhaps he'll be able to put this behind him- can we say the same about the children who his silence allowed to be abused?

    As for Jacko- I'm not convinced he did molest but I'm not convinced he didn't either... but that in and of itself is an illustration of how celebrity can skew judgment. I cannot bring myself to argue directly as I have nothing that proves that MJ was innocent- and he was a weird fucker... perhaps literally.

    Personally I'm becoming increasingly aware of how the media wants me to think and I'm resisting it as much as possible. I think public opinion is conducted like a grand orchestra- in part to increase readership and ratings- and to distract... whip up a passionate frenzy toward something that is heinous as can be so we collectively remain fixated on it- which furnishes a measure of cover for the criminal oligarchs.

    I couldn't sit on a jury that would hear the case against Sandusky- I'm convinced that he is guilty as sin... which shows that as much as I try to resist I'll never be completely immune from manipulation... This makes me happy that I have no television.

    What is sickening is to think that rah-rah adulation of a so-called iconic coach would place his status above the interests of the children he permitted to be molested.
     
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  25. skip

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    Jesus was gay, but I'm sure you'll never even consider that possibility, eh? He's too famous and you personally have too much of your OWN IDENTITY wrapped up in Jesus being the way he is portrayed by the Church (you know esp. the Catholic Church which is full of gays and pederasts). Or was he really married to Mary Magdelene?

    See this is exactly the point I'm making!

    Penn State students have their PERSONAL IDENTITIES wrapped up with their football team and their coaches. So of course they cannot consider anything that might impinge upon their idealized versions of these people because it also affects their OWN IMAGE OF THEMSELVES...

    So if you're a Christian or a Penn State Student or football player, that's how you identify yourself, and you don't want Christianity to be trashed, just like students don't want their school to be trashed.

    These are all ILLUSIONS you have bought into. They are not reality.

    So your OWN IDENTITY undergoes COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

    That is why you are reacting so strongly to what I am saying.

    Enjoy your cognitive dissonance. Let me know if you ever resolve it.
     
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  27. psychedelicpiper

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    LOL at the two members who disliked my last post, as opposed to the two that liked my first post. I even got a positive rep.

    Also, being a Christian doesn't mean I follow the church or that I'm a Catholic. I wouldn't be here if I was. I wouldn't be a hippie. I'm not the only one, either.

    You talk about me and others being too wrapped up in personal identity, but you've got yourself too wrapped up in biased judgements and accusations. That's NOT reality, either. Cognitive dissonance involves inconsistencies, something I haven't shown in this thread.

    I really don't want an argument, but if I continue to receive bad vibes towards my way, then I'm going to defend myself against them. The best we can do is ignore each other in this thread....
     
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    All these stories really do, is anger those who's stories have never been heard... :mad:
     
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  31. Heat

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    Well said.

    The fall out from these situations are so far reaching and destroys lives.

    That this particular institution is in the news, while important, only shows how far spread the issue is. Each time a new culprits is brought to light is an indicator of how many are not.

    That it keeps happening is unconscionable. That even in today's world people are still afraid to come forward is horrific.

    That it takes this many years and that many victims before it is public is astounding and a sad reflection of what is still so wrong with our society and the laws that should protect people.
     
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    Ok, so then you can accept the possibility that Jesus was gay or married, right? Or are you too blind to accept what should be obvious?

    And can you then accept the possibility that Michael Jackson was a child molester, like Sandusky?

    The only reason ppl cannot accept these possibilities is because they are personally identifying with these people.

    These public Icons are JUST HUMAN BEINGS with issues like everyone else. Why is that so hard to accept, I wonder?

    Because once again, it is the INCREDIBLE stigma that has been placed upon child molesters, worse than murderers, regardless of what they actually did! For that reason alone, people refuse to imagine their HEROES as anything less than perfect.

    Believe the ILLUSION at your own risk, and the risk of children getting abused, cause you are enabling the abuse to continue by not facing reality.
     
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  35. skip

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    That is the price we pay to live in a PARANOID society, where everyone is suspect, and due once again to the INCREDIBLE stigma that has been placed upon child molesters, who are treated worse than murderers.

    How many people in America are OBLIGED to report even RUMORS of child abuse? Answer: Millions!!!

    There are many right here on these forums. Teachers, social workers, LEOs, and others HAVE to report cases like Sandusky now, whether true or not. If they don't they might be liable like Joe Paterno is liable.

    So we've now INSTITUTIONALIZED our paranoia and force people to rat on each other, even if there is no real evidence.

    BIG BROTHER is watching you - the person standing next to you, your neighbor, your own kids, etc. It's all part of the system of FEAR that we live in.

    So yes, many well meaning adults can no longer have healthy relationships with children due to these fears. It's a lose-lose situation.
     
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  37. psychedelicpiper

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    No, because there's no evidence for it. It's not in the Bible, either, and the Bible is separate from the church.

    Oh so obvious.... :rolleyes:

    There's an overwhelming amount of facts that point to Michael not being a pedophile, while you dodged around it, ignored it and offered a bunch of conjectures.

    There's a number of facts pointing to Sandusky being a pedophile. I read a long article about him, and he even turned himself in. I'm not going to spend my time listing it all out, though. Google can help you with that.

    Jesus is the son of God, but of course you're not a Christian, and I won't force my beliefs on you.

    I'm very aware that Michael Jackson had a lot of issues. He was sadly a drug addict. If you knew me, then you'd know that I don't think like that. I know the people I look up to aren't perfect, infallible heroes. Just because they're up there and famous doesn't make them better than anyone else. I'm incredibly aware of that. A big reason I hate the media.

    I think I'm very aware of reality, as I've done my best to offer facts and not biased judgments. I don't have a case of 'hero worship' as you seem to believe.
     
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  39. etkearne

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    I was very sickened but somehow not surprised that something like this would happen. Just like the Catholic Church scandel, when you elevate important men to a god-like pedestal, like the priests of the church or the coaches in College Football, no one, and I mean no one (which the Grand Jury report proves...) is willing to condemn their actions.

    I took the time to read the report and I have to admit that it was probably the most horrifying 'real life' story I have read. I don't even know how a human being can be so fucked up or evil to do the things that Sandusky did to those kids who had no idea what type of person he was. It left me with a sense of impending doom and depression for the entire day after I read the report.

    But I am glad I read it so that I can tell my deluded Penn State fanatic friends that YES, Joe Paterno did deserve to be fired, because he damn well knew what was going on, and simply telling your boss isn't enough when it comes to something like this. I mean, if someone told me that someone higher up was doing the things that Sandusky did, I would tell the police, especially if it was an explicit account of the damned thing!

    I just don't know how so many of my acquantences can go around 'mourning' their 'loss' of Joe Paterno without even caring about the potentially dozens of victims. Sick!
     
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