Pedophiles: Sick or Evil?

A woman is a woman, regardless of what you call children.

 

a 15 year-old is not a woman no matter how developed her body looks.

 

her body doesnt "look" developed, it is. Granted, mentally we are fucking our growth process, but for all nature intended, she is a woman. If that sexually mature woman has the mentality that her age should, that is of a woman btw, then she is a woman.

Was my grandfather not a man when he was on Iwo Jima at 16? was he not a man when he killed for his country? was my grandmother not a woman when she had her second child at 15?

 

alright dude well you keep on wanting to fuck 15 year olds and I'll keep on not thinking it's okay.

 

its not about fucking 15 year olds. Maybe that is your problem, you think its all about sex. I have never fucked a 15 year old, even when i was 15, and my wife is almost 30. Just because i keep an open mind doesnt mean i am trying to justify lusting over 10th graders as you seem to think.

and you didnt answer my question, was my grandfather not a man in the war?

 

Lynz...I understand your position, but you just avoided his prior question. Do we become adults strictly when the law (which is relative to your area, btw) claims we are? Or does something else determine this naturally?

 

Itself an illness.

The act is the response to the urge caused by it.

 

But, the question ultimately comes back to is it "evil" or a sickness?

If it IS a disorder, than the decision to act is not necessarily free is it?

But, then again, I don't believe in "evil", thus it must be either a natural instinct (or feeling) in some people (like homosexuality) OR it is a disorder--something abnormal that needs to be chemically/psychologically treated (and I'm not just speaking of "counseling" bullshit--but INTENSE THERAPY).

 

Well, I still stand by my own beliefs on this. As far as pedophilia goes, no, it is NOT "evil". A sadist who take pleasure in seeing the weaker suffer is evil. Way more often than society has the general public believe, a pedophile does not possess a sadistic tendency. If someone is EXCLUSIVELY attracted to prepubescent children, and NO OTHER age groups, then that, in my opinion, is "psychologically ill". But if someone is able to find beauty, sexually and otherwise, in ALL age groups, I personally don't believe there is anything wrong with that.

 

Pedophilia is a mental urge, some act on it, some don't (which makes all the difference to me). It is not evil. Also, what is a child? Being attracted to a 15 year old is a whole lot different from being attracted to 6 year olds... (a minor is not necessarily a child)

If the person has committed paedophile crimes I'd say a jail term and SERIOUS counseling and therapy. Recidivism in paedophilia is extremely high...

 

Honestly, shouldnt pedophilia mean you like feet?

 

The sexual re-offense rate for those who complete treatment is 5.4 percent, versus a 30 percent rate for those who refuse treatment.

But, 30% isn't "extremely high".

Also, the USDOJ statistics show that re-offense is between 3-13%. Which is extremely LOW. I don't know...maybe it's different in Europe.

 

Hm, I'd always read repeat offenses were high... Well, no matter, the rest of my post still stands

 

Well, like I said...it may be different where you are.

I agree with the majority of your post.

 

Maybe the recidivism is high, but in your country they are worse at catching (repeat) offenders?

 

They are also worse at prescribing outlandish, irrational, unconstitutional "penalties".

And not just for sex offenders.

 

You got my attention... What exactly do you mean?

 

Well, the war on drugs for one.

But, there is a new law in my state (and several others) called the "Banishment Law". And it states that sex offenders (not just child molestors or rapists either) cannot LIVE, WORK and TRAVEL within 1,000 FEET of any area where "minors congregrate"...WTF??

This means not only schools and daycares, but churches, shopping malls, grocery stores, movie stores, department stores, bus stops, driveways where kids catch the bus... I mean EVERYWHERE!

Where the hell can ANYONE go and there not be children there? Ha ha...it's really some right-wing crazy ass "get tough" law which ironically makes matters worse. "Homeless sex offenders" wondering the streets now? Seriously!

 

Sorry to butt in, but...


Well, recidivism in pedophilia is high because pedophilia in itself is not a crime, but a form of sexual orientation. Heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex, homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. Pedophiles are attracted to children. Though, once again, I would only classify one as a pedophile when one was EXCLUSIVELY attracted to prepubescent children. Besides, when a heterosexual finds the same sex to be sexually arousing, or a homosexual finds the opposite sex to be sexually arousing, that becomes "bisexual". And how many people are at least slightly bi-curious? I think it'd be safe to say most people. So how about a person who is NOT a pedophile, who CAN find prepubescent children to be sexually arousing? This person, as far as I'm concerned, is simply, for the lack of a better word, "normal".



Anyway, when it's a crime, it's called child molestation. One can be a non-pedophile and still commit this crime and, as far as I understand, that is the case with the majority of child molestation instances. Again, recidivism is high in this case also, because it is often the result of sadism which is a fixation/fetish. At any rate, just because one is able to view a prepubescent child in a sexual way does not mean one is a pedophile or a child molester, nor does it mean one is in need of psychological help. As long as it is not an exclusive thing, as I have said a number of times, I believe one is just as sane as whom we consider to be sane.



Here's an example:



One day, you could be fantasizing about Jessica Alba, and you may brag to your friends about it. Next day, you fantasize about Sharon Osbourne and you may brag to your friends about it. Now, yet another day comes and you find yourself thinking about Dakota Fanning is a sexual way. What happens? Many of you, I'm sure, would FREAK OUT. You can't brag your friends about it. Why? Because she's 12(I think... ok, so she just might be a little too old to be mentioned in this example..*shrug*) years old.



But the thing is, what's so different about merely fantasizing about Dakota Fanning, from merely fantasizing about Jessica Alba and/or Sharon Osbourne? Given that you only view these people as celebrities whom you consider as "unreachable", how is it going to make you a criminal? You're not going to go after them and stalk them for the rest of their lives. You only fantasize about them. Plus, you fantasize about people from various age groups, not just one exclusively. So, to get back to the question of what it is that is different about Fantasizing about Dakota Fanning, from doing so about Jessica Alba and/or Sharon Osbourne: essentially nothing. Are you going to tell me you're a pedophile then? If you did, I'll simply laugh in your face. As far as I'm concerned, you simply react to such stimuli the way you're supposed to.


But then, guess what I just realized. I just realized I'm harsh contradicting. I say pedophiles, those who are exclusively attracted to children, may need psychological treatment, though, at the same time, I have graciously failed to say homosexuals, who are exclusively attracted to the same sex, need psychological treatment. I have also, just as graciously, failed to say that heterosexuals, who are attracted to the opposite sex exclusively, need to receive psychological treatment.

So maybe, JUST MAYBE, pedophilia isn't a "sickness" after all...

 

That isn't the point, though. And you of all people should know what I'm trying to say.