Paedophile ring smashed by Police

my point is this : - every paedophile was once a child and as sexuality is defined quite early on - children have started to make those choices by the age of 7 or 8 - go see the gay forum where they talk about such things openly there or the other sex related forums - you will see how most people who have commented recall having very early sexual experiences and thoughts.

I am just suggesting that there is a way to sort it all out and I was listening to a program not long back - erm no maybe a year ago - that said studies suggest that boys especially may begin to play out sexual fantasies with other children from about the age of 6 and this behaviour must be caught and stopped as it is this which leads to forming the association between childhood and sex in the mind of those children - the psychiatrist was saying if a boy is already fantasising about and acting out those fantasies with others by the age of 10 it may be too late - by the age of 15 it certainly is -it was there that it was explained that the medical/psychiatric profession see paedophilia as a condition not an illness !

It seems to me that there is an epidemic of people being prosecuted for such crimes and related crimes - and there has to be someone from the social professions willing to say there has to be prevention not merely punishment - it has to be stopped before it begins not punished afterwards - but prevented !!!

BTW the epidemic includes children who are reported to the police for abusing other children are sent to special centres and can be detained indefinitely ! its not as rare as u think but goes largely unreported

most of my info comes from that radio 4 broadcast

 

I believe what Ronald is saying to be true. I once read about it, cant remember where how paedophilic behaviour starts as a child... what I read talked about how the first experiences where of them as kids, maybe 7-10 and it involved younger children around 3-5.
So I do think that is something that can be prevented and treated and it is definitely an illness and I dont think is ever going to dissapear unless studies focus more on the why it happens, putting people paedophiles in jail, killing them or anything is not going to make paedophilia dissapear.

 

I agree completely.
I find it interesting that lots of people say that pedophilia is this horrific thing but then in the next breath declare that killing them is a good solution as if it's less horrific.
"I would commit murder to avenge those sick fucks"
"this is, i think, the only time i'm definitely pro-death-penalty. after they've been repeated anally raped by as many vicious, disease-infested mosters as possible."
I will never be for capital punishment. I think pedophilia is disgusting, but we need to look at fixing the problem, investing the money into research and not just trying to kill the problem off.

 

Exactly. We need to be looking at the cause of the outcome, not just the outcome itself.

 

My principle always is - when you are fighting a monster be sure that you do not become a different type of monster !

 

Well put.

 

i have a very hard time with this. i have two little girls and a history of being abused, as does my baby sister. some rage never ever dies.

 

I have a sister who was abused when we were children for many years. There is a rage as you put it, sure, but I still don't see violence as the answer. I'd rather we found a solution.

 

yeah. i still wanna kill, maim, torture. THEN do the whole solution ting.

 

Doesn't that really just bring you down to their level? It's a different kind of violence, but as Ronald said - "when you are fighting a monster be sure that you do not become a different type of monster"

 

i don't think i agree with that yet. i'm not evolved enough, perhaps.

 

I'm sorry but I still disagree. I understand the points from you all and appreciate that some of these opinions have a balance that refers to learned studies. Don't get me wrong I'm also for nipping the bud and stopping this problem before it manifests itself and men begin to act out these evil crimes. But if the crime is committed then something needs to be done about it. Having a wishy washy, permissive, liberal atitude that suggets that we need to work with these people to help them over come this; I'm sorry but I'm not prepared to LOWER myself, and I feel insulted at the suggestion that to cut these people out like you would cut out cancer from your body makes me a monster then so be it! It is about fire-fighter and if it is endemic, of which I'm unsure, we have a terrible problem. We are talking about taking away the innocence of kids and destroying their lives with acts that can never be overcome.

 

Yeah we shouldn't work with them. Just kill them off, maybe even torture them first. Who cares why they are the way they are. Maybe we should start killing off other groups of people too who we deam unworthy.

But I feel like I'm starting to repeat myself. Horrible act, but trying to counteract it with another violent act will never make sence to me, nor will make anything better, yes one horrible person is gone, but that isn't going to stop the next ones.

 

Child porn pictures?? Damn, that's terrible.






Videos are much better.

 

The problem with british philosophy is this:

To combat crime, we must grind our criminals down to the bone. Then when we release them, our arms are up in the air because those we grinded to the bone, have come out and took revenge on the very society who didn't want to help this guy who probably got sent to jail for no more than stealing a loaf of cornbread.

The public's attitude toward criminals is the same as if we were all living in 12th century Britain.
Atittudes towards peodophiles or sex offenders (Which is the correct term), is understandable and perhaps you can justify parents being double protective around their own kids. BUT, a lot of abuse happens by members of one's own family. It is quite common, and usually it isn't known about-ever!
On the other hand, when the news of the world published details of known sex offenders, suddenly we had decent hardworking parents, who were against criminal activity and as I suppose detested crime in all form. Now parents were the ones, getting together as one nasty 12th century mob, complete with flaming sticks and axes and baseball bats. And of course loud memorable chants, "KILL THE PEODOPHILE< STAMP OUT THE PERVERSION OF NATURE"!
Meanwhile, they take their eight year old Amy and ten year Paul in tow for emotive affect. Suddenly the parents seize the sex offender and then commit the most brutal form of murder. Being beaten by twenty angry parents in a bloody form. In one case, they managed to decapitate the head of the sex offender and stuck it on spear railings.

Many parents atitude toward tackling any criminal, is not rehabilitation (Which is proven to work in 70% of cases.Even with some sex offenders) but simply grind them to the bone and hang them in a dungeon at Her majestys pleasure and throw away the key. On release of the sex offender. The public wonder why they have reoffended. With years of brutality, these criminals have become animals. They have lost themselves in a blanket of pure rage. Like some monkey who has got the Rage in that film, Outbreak. Now, look over to the continent, they use castration and drug induced techniques which work better and there is a low crime record including low crimes of sex offending.

Simply chaining them up and killing them, is merely the proof that this country doesn't have any idea how to tame criminals. Or even have the ability to understand and in some cases sympathise with certain criminals of lesser crimes. We have let ourselves down and become our own worst enemy.

 

John, I think this is one of the first times I've agreed with pretty much everything you've said... Fair play dude...:cheers:

 

i've had a while to cool off. i've vented. i've raged, i've imagined any number of horrific violence against these bastards. i know there's a reason lynch mobs are illegal. i always have. i'm adamantly against the death penalty, always have been. but sometimes, when you've been hurt so badly, there's no way to be reasonable. probably why the jury selection process is the way it is.

 

Time is often the best healer.

 

feed the bastards to the pigs.

 

wow john !!! well done mate !! what an excellent post ! I read every word and its clear you had thought a lot about that - Wow thats one of the best posts I ever read on this forum and agreed wholeheartedly with it