overpopulation

“Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed”

-Mahatma Gandhi

While I do think overpopulation is a problem, I believe that the American lifestyle is a greater problem. I believe we could live with many billions more people if we decided to live in unity with the Earth. 75% of all farming land in America is used to feed animals (many of which are crammed into "factories"). There's also pollution, oceanic dead zones, rainforest destruction, and well youv'e probably heard it all already but please heed the warning.

What can we as a family do about all of this? Well I am a big believer in Ghandi and his ways of fighting in the form of nonviolent non-cooperation.
If you submit to Babylon for a paycheck then you are causing damage to nature. Taxes are used to build "Forest Service" roads that clear-cutters use. And whether you like it or not 51% of your federal taxes go to the war machine.

I challenge you all to live free from the ways of Babylon. It's not going to be an overnight process but a steady evolution. We need to band together as family and grow our own food, fuel, medicine, clothes and overgrow the government!

"Only when the last tree has died
and the last river been poisoned
and the last fish been caught
will we realise we cannot eat money."
Cree Indian Saying

 

November ninth, Medicine Hat, Canada
Thanks GreaseMonkey.
I'm going out and live in a tree.

Hold on! Shit! It's cold outside! It's snowing! This pine tree got no central heating. Maybe I can just start a little bonfire up here in the branches, or better yet, get down and dig a snow well at the base and hibernate until April. Meanwhile you'se guys is still down at the bar and playing pool and having a good laugh... You remember Dirty Dog? The bastard froze last week...

 

.. yeah, well we're all gonna freeze anyway at some point.

Ok... so.. imagine god has a bank account. He's paying for all our food and water and our heating bills, we can just sit back and enjoy in relative comfort. This works for a while.. but then some guys evolve and decide to round the food and water and heat up, and say, hey, if you give us some money, we'll give you some more resources. A few people hear about this and like the idea, because : no-one's ever happy with what they've got, if they know they can have more - but because the only way you can make money is to sell the resources you already have, and people want to keep what they've got already, they start to steal from god's bank account. 1 cent is more than enough.. and it's not like god's gonna notice.

So they buy the extra resources and live fairly comfortable lives... but their friends notice and ask why they've got it so good. Blah blah blah you get the picture. In the end, 90% of the population is stealing 1 cent a year from god's bank account (which isn't infinite btw, he's god not Bill Gates).. and they're all like.. well it's only 1 cent, what harm can it do. In the end, everyone has resources, so they go and live in places they couldn't before, like Antarctica, or places that snow, or the ocean.

Besides, we'd all die if stopped doing it now.. we've evolved into weak pussy's who are afraid of God and do everything we can to sever our connections to it. We build cities and houses and streets and infrastructures out of fear, not necessity. Oh.. but now we're scared that God's gonna catch up with us and kill us all anyway. I guess that death wouldn't be as bad though, right? Apart from the millions of plants and animals we'd kill in the process, but hey, if we kill ourselves we're not gonna be there to take responsibility for it anyway, right? And they're not even that important, they can't sing, or make conversation, or write down how they feel, or stop wars that we started, or tell us the meaning of life, right? So let's just kill em all with our own greed and inaction. At least we're comfortable.

 

And when we are all flying signs begging for hand-outs who will be left to provide for those that refuse to do so for themselves?

 

It seems his point was that having more than a couple of kids in inconsiderate to the environment. Also, he makes the obvious point that Catholics are living in the dark ages in regards to traditions. Especially those involving contraception. He is wasting his time on the 2nd one because everyone except Catholics already knew that.
I have decided not to have children for some of the same reasons. Though mine are more centered on how fcked up the world already is as opposed to how fcked up it's getting.
Naturally I don't blame you for having children because I am not insane. Besides the earth as we know it is getting close to recyling itself (ending and beginning again sometime in the future). So whether you have 0 kids, 2 kids, or 4 kids is really irrelevant to the future of the earth.

 

no you totally missed my point, endangered fish eater, we need to become self sufficient was my point. Like growing your own plants, living sustainably and not pumping money into the system as much as possible. If you aren't ready for babylon to fall you will be the one asking for handouts, which I hope is not too much for your conservative ego...

 

Not sure who this was directed at. I was replying to Maggie's reply ti Iceteaprincess.

 

Looks like it was directed at you; you did reply to GreaseMonkey above...

Endangered fish eater, that's a good one, lol!

 

Ahh thanks for the clarification. Seems obvious now that you mention it. Well I would love for this to come to be as I have known since an early age that Babylon is a raw deal for all. Of course I will admit that I can't see it happening, but I hope that you all will keep trying.

 

If you have a herd crash due to depletion of a renewable resource, that's one thing. For example, foxes dying out due to loss of a rabbit population. The rabbits come back, then the prey species.

If the crash is an industrial depression or collapse due to depletion of non-renewable resources (itself due to overpopulation), that's something else again. The oil, gas, coal, iron, copper and nickel are no longer sitting in the ground waiting for a miner. What's more, the mineral deposits to be found in the ruins of the previous civilization may just be radioactive. I think "Limits to Growth" or some such makes this point at length. So the replacement of one civilization with another gets a whole lot harder next time around.

These points are so obvious they need hardly be mentioned, but I'll mention them anyway for the sake of debate. Not that anyone ever disagrees with me on this channel...

 

How are you on the internet and not supporting Babylon. Is there some hippie provider I'm not aware of?

 

[/QUOTE] For me this is partly true. The UK has reached a population size of over 60 million within an area of not much bigger than the state of Florida, for our American readers. The population is concentrated in certain areas, as in the south east, mainly London. For me, who is preaching these statistics? For one we are told that there is a low birth rate in the UK among professional working woman, but then there are also statistics that show a birth rate among young British girls to be the highest in Europe? So it's about a certain type of person! This is the propaganda machine catching itself out with its drive to shape our society. Again, it probably comes from those wankers who claim we live in a meritocracy and poverty is genetic. I hope there maybe a pandemic disease so as to create a true freedom even if it become a lot more fearful, murderous, violent and anarchic. At least when those twats who talk about living in a Darwinistic existence and the cream always rises to the top there then maybe some truth to that statement, your fucking high walls and stolen millions wont save you then shitheads!!!!

 

I encourage you to stick to your own life. Let's say I have one kid, and let's say at 12 he/she gets cancer or gets hit by a car, then what? I'll have no one to continue my family bloodline. You know what I plan to do? Have 5 kids, yeah, FIVE, that way I assure myself ( for the most part ) of having at least one successful kid to carry on the family name, that way I'll still have hope even if one of my children dies accidentally.

Read this article:

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/08/23/abortionproblems.shtml

At this rate Russians may become a huge minority, the asians and the Indians aren't going to stop having chilren, they're going to be our masters, I say, we have to have as many children as them so we can eventually fight them in another world war, and that, that is the only way we're ever going to solve this population problem.

That or by some miracle we colonize the moon by the year 2050, but that is probably not going to happen.

 

war isn't about one ethnicity controlling another. it is a fight between superpowers. indian, chinese, caucasian, whatever. we are all human. there is no such thing as race but what we imagine.

on the overpopulation topic: nothing to say that hasn't already been said, but the kind of problems we will inevitably face in the future will be easier to deal with if we somehow manage to stop reproducing at an exponential rate. on a long enough timeline, population growth simply cannot continue. there won't be enough energy, food and water. natural disasters hardly put a dent in our numbers, ditto for war. either a nuclear war or a natual mass extinction would do it (disease, metiorite or unforseen), but who would want to live in a world after that had happened...?

 

Hello! Anybody there?

The salvation of civilization rests in the hands of our youth and the most irresponsible people on the planet today are their parents...parents that never seriously lift a hand to help resolve overpopulation or the suffering of the children that are already here...parents that figure the best way to save the planet is to produce more kids that will join the rest of us to consume what is left of this wondrous planet...parents that spend their life punching the time clock, paying the mortgage, putting food on the table and teaching their kids to compete with the Jones...and worst of all parents that send their kids to schools without gardens!

 

Me Me Me!!!!!

 

Well stated, BD. I agree completely.

 

I think that the numbers will lower by a more natural means. Think along the lines of Darwin.

 

Thank you, Maximus. Rarely do I encounter such clear, level heading thinking on this channel. I have some time on my hands, so I'll go over your points one by one. I'll type slowly (and you can read slowly) so that you can understand this.

Sorry. We're both competing for limited resources, be it parking space, housing, arable land or fossil fuels. We're in each other's face, like it or not.

There are billions of people (whatever your race) who's genetic makeup is not significantly different from yours.

Sorry again. There aren't that many of us out here who give a shit about your family bloodline, or mine, for that matter. Your thinking is 500 years out of date.

You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Even during World War II, in spite of tens of millions of war-related deaths, net population continued to grow. Your racist "have more kids, destroy the other race" would be a credit to the Nazionalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (German Nazi party). Most of us agree their racial theories didn't work and (to understate) caused more problems than they solved.

The solution is, have no more than one child, die off, and then if everyone follows this principle, we will have half as many people in a generation's time competing for land and resources. In two generations, one quarter as many people. Actually, the math is more complicated than this, and involves birth and death rates in differing age cohorts (groups of people of similar age). But you get the idea. Or do you?

 

The fact is, people aren't using half of the land area provided.

Take a look at countries such as Canada and Russia, there's a lot of land for people to be put on.