overpopulation

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by Acorn, May 26, 2005.

  1. carrot flesh

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    one spaceship puts a naaaasty hole in the ozone layer ive read. so unless we all plan to migrate to mars and setup a civilization, were gonna be in for some deep shit in the future, which we are regardless...truthfully i look forward to it though..natural disaesters, mass death, global warming, the collapse of the system, their good signs and they make life interesting.
     
  2. Mr Mojo Risin'

    Mr Mojo Risin' How are you 'now'?

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    I am sure you'll find life greatly interesting if your one of the first of that deathly mass to enter into that altered state, maybe you'll have a view from the otherside, maybe you won't.
     
  3. experimenting youth

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    I have spent ages reading some of these idea some brilliant, some not so brilliant some ideas I have thought of, Encourage families to be closer

    e.g. cousins living together (so 4 adults and a couple of children) get more help with benefits than people with more children, this will hopefully encourage people to have less children because having one child could be a real bummer but if there is more children in the house it wouldn’t matter so much, this also would help develop young minds because they are talking to more adults daily with different ideas. Houses are probably better if the number of adults is more than the number of kids, this also help with adults wanting to go out.

    Has wot I said made any sense I hope it has.



    cya l8r all



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  4. liguana

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    hi experimenting youth,
    what you said made alot of sense and for many ppl that is already a reality. Ppl from the East like India and Pakistan live in multi-generational households (the daughter moves in with her husband's family).
    I always thought that was a very efficient way to bring up a family. As an example, there's a young couple who do not yet have children but they live with their niece, and also his parents, his brother and his sister-in-law. So the niece grows up with grand-parents, parents and an uncle and aunt. This way the tasks of raising young and running a household is distributed among more adults. There's also more income earners. My sis who's a new mother often wishes I lived with her.

    Please note that they tend to have less children in Canada than in their homeland.
     
  5. BeOna

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    it is sad, but it seems the earth takes care of itself pretty well. the population is expected to increase exponentially over the next century. i expect the number of natural disasters will rise as well to combat the population over-growth
     
  6. BeOna

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    it is sad, but it seems the earth takes care of itself pretty well. the population is expected to increase exponentially over the next century. i expect the number of natural disasters will rise as well to combat the population over-growth

    Be Kind to Others, Kind to Earth, Kind to Yourself
     
  7. Rob

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    This was a subject about a year ago. I had the LONGEST argument with that fella Kandahar, who I see has since been BANNED (haha). The argument was so ridiculous. He kept saying that there was plenty of room on the earth for plenty more people to live. The concept of overpopulation isnt that there isnt enough space for people to stand on solid ground, its that if we continue to use resources at this pace, and if the population continues to grow at this pace, we will eventually be in BIG trouble. And its true. The problem isnt so much with the rise of population, its with the amount the present population consumes. There is no denying the fact that we are exploiting the planet at an unsustainable rate.

    Peace
     
  8. dd3stp233

    dd3stp233 -=--=--=-

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    Human overpopulation which is the root cause of every major problem facing humanity today? - - problems such as poverty, starvation, overcrowding, wars, crime, gang violence, child abuse, environmental destruction, rainforest destruction, ozone depletion, air pollution, water pollution, and species extinction.
    Human overpopulation is causing a global environmental disaster of proportions not seen since the demise of the dinosaurs. In the face of this already-in-process disaster, the anti-abortion promoters are denying its existence and proposing the birth of still more people.

    u We have cut a huge contiguous ecosystem into little blocks with roads cities, farms, ranches and the like and think that we do no harm.
    u We have destroyed over ninety-seven percent of our virgin forests and think there in no price for that destruction.
    u We have destroyed vital top soil that is literally irreplaceable, and think food will still be available for our children.
    u We have polluted every waterway on the entire planet and ignore the massive deaths from the resultant diseases.
    u Acid rain is killing our forests, but quarterly corporate profits take precedent of stopping the dumping of poisonous mercury into our environment.
    u We have wantonly murdered entire species of large predatory animals and think such destruction does not alter the environment.
    u We have over fished the oceans to the point that ninety percent of all large fish are simply gone.
    u Human overpopulation has already caused the extinction of more species than at any single time period other that the demise of the dinosaurs and few give this carnage any thought. The rate of extinction is still growing and there is no end in site to this trend.
    u We have set into motion environmental changes the consequences of which we are completely ignorant. We have interfered with every environmental system on the entire planet and think such actions are without cost or that someone else will pay the price.
    u Our great grand children, if there are any, are going to think of us with anger and disbelief and ask, were they really that stupid?
     
  9. silent

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    I didn't read all the post cause there are too many but I wanted to give my opinion anyway...
    honestly I haven't read up much about this problem but as far as I know this is what I think
    Today people aren't living as long as they used to. Unfortunatly people are being killed a lot more and deseases are taking lives like crazy. So it is evident that there is a overpopulation but I think in some way it is balancing out. Plus it may seem overly populated but it is also because many people are moving into the large cities, that is happening here in PR and it is a big problem. Trafic, new condos, urbanizations, schools and office buildings are just poping out everywere to satisfy the needs of this growing metropolis. But as people are moving to the city the country areas are empting out.
    Another thing is that women are having babies like crazy. but like I say people are dying too...
    Although it is a problem, we are already here so there's not bmuch we can do. I think the answer is in informing people about conserving our resources because we just keep using and using. So I think people should take more responsability and be more informed about our planet and how over population is afecting it...
    More people means more garbage, polution, destruction, etc...
    we have to counter atack these problems.

    there should also be more control over baby making... Teen pregnancies are a problem so there should be more orientation in schools and parents should be more informed and have better relationship with their children to prevent more pregnacies. cause babies born today can be the problem tomorrow.

    Some told me that I shouldn't have a baby because of this over population, but why should I have to sacrifice the beautifull experience of baring a child because other people made a mistake. I really don't think it's fair. I have thought about adoption because I understand there are more babies than momies... maybe after I have one I will consider adoption...

    Anyway... we really need to be informed, educate and do our best to keep things under control... but out of all the people in the world, how many of of see things this way, or even care about whats going on in the world...
     
  10. Kempo

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    We should make floating cities...for the ocean.
     
  11. Hippievixen

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    trippy thought, man :)
     
  12. Aristartle

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    Um. they've already done things like that in Montreal, Tokyo, etc.
     
  13. peaceloveandshrooms

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    I'm convinced that the Earth will be compacted into a black hole long before overpopulation (which IS a problem) becomes enough to kill US, while it is killing many other life forms right now.

    Don't Worry,
    Be Happy!
     
  14. Selfsustaingsociety

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    It wouldn't be a problem if we only took what mother nature gave us.

    we exploit, look up the word. It comes with negative conotations...

    start the change with yourself, let you be the change you want to see and spread the word so others may benefit.
     
  15. freakon

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    this is a fucking weird theory, about overpopulation: we leave in an age where family and kids and the own genetical tribe has taken over our lives. But this worked in a time when you had to outnumber the other tribe, if you had a fight.... and usually, the member or your tribe where your family. SO.... the thing to do was .....to have a lot of kids and to be sure that the ladies where fertile ect, therefore all the fertilily rites and gods....
    It means: do not have woman that are to skinny (anciant tribes often viewed fat ladies as something very good), and be sure to have a big quantity of food and shelter, so every body stay alive and can multiply
    Today modern tribes are not based on family (well, not always).
    Once the family stops stops being this holy thing (and really is children-making unit, for the sake of the tribe/state, so it can have a big number of heads it can enslave and brainwash and use to it's purpose....)
    I do beleive that we are slowly leaving an age of fertility to age of friendship (but only for those who want it strong enough). relations are gonna be more free, and we will not feel this urge to have kids.....
     
  16. Sealed With A Kiss

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  17. liguana

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    Selfsustaingsociety, your site's proposal for sustainable living... I'm all for sustainable living but we must leave room for biodiversity, something which many ppl overlook. No matter how much we reduce per capita consumption rate, the sheer number of ppl will squeeze out wildlife, as is already happening.

    Your site proposes a revert back to a more old fashion way of living and that is not sustainable for 6+ billion ppl, not if we desire biodiversity. If everyone used firewood instead of oil 6, 7, 10+ billion ppl would strip the forests clean. And cabins are land-intensive. A commune living in highrises surrounded by vegetable gardens is more sustainable, they have a lower per unit cost than single family homes or cabins, yes highrises have issues but that's why we must focus on the population issue.

    Lifestyle alone will not save the environment. Some ppl who say overpopulation is not a problem also preach a vegetarian lifestyle. Who are they to say it's more acceptable for a woman to have 6+ kids than to eat meat. Everyone has to do their part.
     
  18. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    the world isn't over populated... just population isn't proportioned right. Too many people living in concentrated areas is the problem.
     
  19. liguana

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    The world is losing it's forests and bio-diversity cos ppl need land for shelter, industry, agri. and u say it's not overpopulated?
     
  20. Pronatalist

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    "The more the merrier," they say.

    Human life should flourish and blossom and spread. Humans are worth more than anything else on the planet!

    God's commandment to people to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, means not only not to use any "preventative measures" to limit family size, as wouldn't that be "rebellion," but also that each successive generation, is supposed to grow ever larger and more populous than the previous generation. Humans weren't even designed to use any means of "birth control," and that's why most every method is so experimental and shoddy!

    Large families should be encouraged worldwide, as more and more people would be glad to live.

    To do the most good for the most people, human populations should of course be welcome to grow nearly as large as possible.

    More and more people would be glad to live, most everybody wants or ends up with children, most every child is glad to come to life and be born, and the planet isn't getting any bigger. Why isn't the answer more obvious? Humans then, need to populate up denser and denser and more efficiently.

    Most all the discussion of supposed "overpopulation" assumes there is no God to provide for us, and reeks of socialist engineering of society, against the obvious wishes and rights of the people.

    "How can there be too many people? That's like saying there are too many flowers." Mother Teresa

    "It is high time to accept as forever gone, the sparsely populated world of the past, and to make an orderly transition, to the populous world of the future." Pronatalist

    Where to put all the hypothetical additional people, when not all that many more billions are expected soon? Simple. In between all the people already living. There could simply be more places with lots of people, and fewer places far from lots of people. Cities only occupy but 2 or 3% of the land. There's that example of "everybody could live in Texas." It could be more. More cities and towns and suburbs on top of suburbs, can obviously be built, by people needing jobs anyway.

    It better show our children, how much they are wanted, when they understand why their parents don't use any awkward, experimental, anti-life means of "birth control," because more children are always welcome, or their parents have faith or the openmindedness to accept "all the children that God gives."

    The most natural and elegant outlet for humanity's powerful reproductive urges, is of course, marriage and REPRODUCTION. An already occupied womb, and normal breastfeeding, is the most natural and elegant means of natural child spacing. The body (or God) already sort of "knows" when to get pregnant, even without our help.

    Each and every human life is sacred, so we ought not to interfere with its creation.
     

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