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Christ will return, but not in the way that fundemenatalists promotes, the heart that he realized will be found inside you, yes you! you are christ!​

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The Second Coming of Christ​

Excerpts from the Introduction
By Paramahansa Yogananda
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To provide you with a first glimpse of the scope and content of The Second Coming of Christ, following are a few excerpts from Paramahansa Yogananda's thirteen-page Introduction to the two volumes.
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In titling this work The Second Coming of Christ, I am not referring to a literal return of Jesus to earth. He came two thousand years ago and, after imparting a universal path to God's kingdom, was crucified and resurrected; his reappearance to the masses now is not necessary for the fulfillment of his teachings. What is necessary is for the cosmic wisdom and divine perception of Jesus to speak again through each one's own experience and understanding of the infinite Christ Consciousness that was incarnate in Jesus. That will be his true Second Coming.

There is a distinguishing difference of meaning between Jesus and Christ. His given name was Jesus; his honorific title was "Christ." In his little human body called Jesus was born the vast Christ Consciousness, the omniscient Intelligence of God omnipresent in every part and particle of creation. This Consciousness is the "only begotten Son of God," so designated because it is the sole perfect reflection in creation of the Transcendental Absolute, Spirit or God the Father.

It was of that Infinite Consciousness, replete with the love and bliss of God, that Saint John spoke when he said: "As many as received him [the Christ Consciousness], to them gave he power to become the sons of God." Thus according to Jesus' own teaching as recorded by his most highly advanced apostle, John, all souls who become united with Christ Consciousness by intuitive Self-realization are rightly called sons of God....

In these pages I offer to the world an intuitionally perceived spiritual interpretation of the words spoken by Jesus, truths received through actual communion with Christ Consciousness. They will be found to be universally true if they are studied conscientiously and meditated upon with soul-awakened intuitive perception. They reveal the perfect unity that exists among the revelations of the Christian Bible, the Bhagavad Gita of India, and all other time-tested true scriptures.

The saviors of the world do not come to foster inimical doctrinal divisions; their teachings should not be used toward that end. It is something of a misnomer even to refer to the New Testament as the "Christian" Bible, for it does not belong exclusively to any one sect. Truth is meant for the blessing and upliftment of the entire human race. As the Christ Consciousness is universal, so does Jesus Christ belong to all....

It is an erroneous assumption of limited minds that great ones such as Jesus, Krishna, and other divine incarnations are gone from the earth when they are no longer visible to human sight. This is not so. When a liberated master has dissolved his body in Spirit, and yet manifests in form to receptive devotees (as Jesus has appeared throughout the centuries since his passing, such as to Saint Francis, Saint Teresa, and many others of East and West), it means he has an ongoing role to play in the destiny of the world. Even when masters have completed the specific role for which they took on a physical incarnation, it is the divinely ordained task of some to look after the welfare of humanity and assist in guiding its progress. Jesus Christ is very much alive and active today. In Spirit and occasionally taking on a flesh-and-blood form, he is working unseen by the masses for the regeneration of the world. With his all-embracing love, Jesus is not content merely to enjoy his blissful consciousness in Heaven. He is deeply concerned for mankind and wishes to give his followers the means to attain the divine freedom of entry into God's Infinite Kingdom....

To reestablish God in the temples of souls through revival of the original teachings of God-communion as propounded by Christ and Krishna is why I was sent to the West by Mahavatar Babaji, the deathless Yogi-Christ of modern India, whose existence was revealed to the world at large for the first time in 1946 in Autobiography of a Yogi....

For uncounted millenniums, India has been the spiritual lightland of the earth. It is in India that the divine soul-science of yoga —union with God through direct personal communion with Him —has been preserved. That is why Jesus went to India as a youth, and why he returned to India and conferred with Babaji for the spiritual evolution of the world. Time will testify to this truth, that they have given to the world through the Kriya Yoga teachings of Self-Realization Fellowship (Yogoda Satsanga Society of India) the techniques of meditation by which each soul can reunite with God through inner realization of the universal Christ-Krishna Consciousness....

These teachings have been sent to explain the truth as Jesus intended it to be known in the world — not to give a new Christianity, but to give the real Christ-teaching: how to become like Christ, how to resurrect the Eternal Christ within one's Self....

Many of Jesus' sayings and parables, which have undergone transformations due to mistranslation from the Aramaic, I did not understand at a first reading. But as I prayed and attuned myself with him, I received the meaning directly from him. Revelations that I never expected have been given to me; little did I dream what wealth of truth lay concealed. I believe that readers of this book will find that meanings buried twenty centuries have been brought out here for the first time, interpretations of the words of Jesus as he would talk to the people of today — truths he conveyed to his disciples and which he wants understood by devotees of the world throughout all time. Those who are receptive will feel through direct perception the message that Christ is speaking to them; for all I have done is to receive and convey the fullness of his thoughts and consciousness....I hear Christ in the land of my inspiration; I behold Christ speaking to me all the eternal wisdom he intended to convey within his pregnant words....

Jesus said, "We speak that we do know,"* and through this new interpretation I feel certain that people will be enabled to understand that true knowledge, the wisdom-realizations, which he meant the world to have. Therefore, in spite of multitudinous interpretations of his words already written by others, I believe that Christ has inspired me to lift the veil of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of his teachings and utter them anew in their native purity, divested of misconceptions, and stress their applicability to the changed conditions and life of modern civilization. The people of today should break through the dark glass of theology — intellectual knowledge about God — and perceive God directly.** Such is my conviction, in thus writing the first thorough study by an Oriental of the words of Christ, who also was born in an Oriental land and who spent many years in India....

As you read the pages of The Second Coming, you will see the mist of difficulty, misunderstanding, and mystery about the words of Jesus lifted forever after the lapse of twenty centuries. Many sects, many denominations, many beliefs, many persecutions, many conflicts and upheavals have been created by misinterpretations. Now, Christ reveals the consummate message in the simple words he spoke to an ancient people in a less-advanced age of civilization. Read, understand, and feel Christ speaking to you through this "Second Coming" bible, urging you to be redeemed by realization of the true "Second Coming," the resurrection within you of the Infinite Christ Consciousness.

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Seek the kingdom of heaven within you.
I and my father are one.
What I have done you can do also and more.
Walk with me hand in hand and gaze and the limitless light of my formless face.

Words...

Seek the living word within.
Go into yourself and listen.
Prayer is speaking to God.

Meditation is listening to God.

Let thine eye be single and the body will fill with light.

Peace be with you & Namaste,
Yeshua

 

the vibes of your post speak louder then the words communicated!


To my brothers and sisters;

When the mind is still, we can hear, see and experience the subtle

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

JesusWasABlackMan,

"What I want is people to become followers of Jesus Christ."

Ah-HA!! So... you admit it... yer just here to convert "sinners"... well, good luck, kid... especially with stupid, uneducated, sinning ol' me...

"Certain things are complete superstition and have no validity at all in the Bible. Yeah. They're just the antithesis of everything that is correct intellectually." - Lenny Bruce

 

I actually had this vision of athiests before but then I met this real cool guy named Nimmo who is Athiest but not an asshole, just simply does not believe that a God exists. DOesn't claim to know anything either.. just believes.

 

most athiests i know (and being one) are more morally minded poeple than the christians.

 

Stonerbill brings up an interesting question, can atheists be good? (Bill doesn't actually use the form of a question; he makes a speculative assertion. But the question can be raised nonetheless) Now, the word "good" itself is a very vague word. So, it is necessary to list some of the qualities that makes one good. These qualities will no doubt also be vague, but they will serve to clarify, at least somewhat, what it means to be good. One who is good loves, shows fidelity, is compassionate, is merciful, is generous, and the list could potentially continue on indefinately until I describe good using negatives such as "not vicious." So, someone has to draw the line as to how many of these qualifications a man must meet to be good. I intend to do no such line drawing; I leave that to you. But I do want to focus on the second quality that made my list, fidelity.

To have faith in another is a greater kind of loyalty than to have faith in oneself because others can let you down. That's not to say that you cannot disappoint yourself, but you have a degree of control over your own decisions that you cannot impose on others. Faith in another requires trust.

Having established that faith in another is superior to faith in oneself, we must now determine a hierarchy of "others" or "Not-I's" as objects of faith. Nietzsche writes that in all of nature, man is the only animal capable of making promises. Since faith is a sort of promise, it would be ridiculous to put one's faith in an animal because an animal cannot reciprocate. Next in the chain is faith in other human beings. This is the kind of faith held by atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. It requires little justification, since all men of all creeds profess faith in their fellow man.

But faith in God is the greatest of all. The measure of what makes one sort of faith greater than another is not contingent upon the object of faith, but upon the subject of faith. The position of God at the top of the hierarchy is not due to His omnipotence or benevolence but is due instead to the strength of faith necessary on the part of the believer. It is faith in a being whose existence cannot be proven or verified. It is faith in concepts that seem unfathomable, in a God who died on the cross for men, and in the promise of sinners being united with Him in heaven. And I dare say that a faith which requires belief in what seems to be the impossible on the part of the believer strengthens the believer, allowing him to fulfil his potentiality as a human being. And makes him a better man because of it.

So, can an atheist be good? Well, I didn't really answer that now did I? It really comes down to how essential faith is to the good life. I happen to consider faith very highly. If you do not, then I really can't argue with you. But if you do, then I hope I gave you something to think about.

P.S. I'm a little disappointed with how this post turned out. You see, I'm at work and so I cannot devote the time and effort necessary to make this post satisfactory. But it's more than that, too. I'm trying to convey concepts that cannot be understood, only felt.

 

I have found that..i think people that cloud their vision with religeon..always make judgements based on not what they feel just what they think...

If anybody asks me if religeon should be practised..is God out there... i say

'I don't care'

and for all you spirtualists (of any kind) out there..

'I don't care'

Imagine were we would be if only selfish irelevant . 'meaning of life' crap did not hinder societies..*sigh*

I do find it all intresting ..... but realy 'i don't care'

 

I'm bookmarking that site!

 

and what better way to control people than organized religion?

 

i was born into a christian family and was always taught christian beliefs. my family fell out of it a little when i was young .. but somehow started going to church hardcore again when i was about 10 and became very firm believers. at the age of 11 without anyone pressuring me into it i chose to become babtised.. i really believed despite the fact that i knew i could not prove any of it true or false. when i got older.. in highschool i started questioning it again and my family pressured me to go to church and i was angry about this. i met a guy unlike the other people i knew and started dating him. maybe it was because he was foreign but i dont think so.. it seemed that he had a more open mind and had seen many more things than i did and his process of thinking seemed so clear to me i was amazed... anyway i fell in love with him and he fell in love with me. although i was questioning christianity i still was mostly clinging to christian based beliefs... my boyfriend was an athiest. we spent countless hours sitting together and talking about why we believed what we did... not in a way as to force our ideas upon each other but just to express our views and get to know each other as well as possible.. we both had very similar values but our idea of what it all meant was entirely different. in the beginning i was sad that he was not a christian because i had been taught that if he did not accept god he would go to hell... then somehow it struck me that god would be an idiot to send someone like that to hell.. he is such a good person. still all of the beliefs about good works not being what gets you into heaven but acceptance of god made me scared for him so i did try to pursuade a little without forcing it. what eventually happened, his knowledge was so much greater than mine, that i began to see his point of view. slowly i started to question if god maybe didnt really exist.. a funny thing happened though.. just when i thought he had won, he expressed to me that after all the talks and being with me he was starting to believe that it was possible . i guess in the end where we are today.. is still questioning .. i now cannot say that i can prove that god exists and he no longer says that he can prove that god does not exist... there is a kind of belief stuck in me deep down that i cannot deny as much as i would like to in my rational mind sometimes ... ingrained in me from my whole childhood or maybe something more i do not know... that gives me the feeling that there is at least something. i cannot say that this feeling of belief regardless of whether or not i want it is there because god put it in me or because it was the society i was born into... but there is something there that no matter how much i satisfyingly find a logical conclusion that god does not exist or that i dont know if he does but it does not matter... still that is there nagging at me so i must say regardless of the fact that i do not think of myself as a believer somewhere in my heart i am... i just cant seem to get rid of it no matter how much i try. i dont know if this is making sense to anyone. but my husband grew up from his childhood being raised in a family that believed god did not exist. he was always offered the choice to believe as he wanted... but that was the normal thing for him to believe. that was the reality he grew up with.... but even he questioned it... and today even he.. who grew up with a father who read him philosophy books as a child and who won chest tournaments as a child and who i have to say is the smartest person i have ever met in my life with such an amazing way of looking at everything... even today does not pretend to be able to disprove the existance of god. there is no reason for him to have any desire for god in his life because of the way he was brought up.... but there are times i notice... that he shows hints of a desire to believe. even his father who had studied to become a priest as a teenager, then became a nonbeliever and studied philosophy for 20 years in college, came to me not so long ago ... this man has such a complex mind sometimes i am amazed. and asked me again... if i believed in life after death or God.... this man who believes all logic says no god does not exist... this man who has studied philosophy for years... knows that even he cannot disprove the existance of god. noone can.. and noone can prove it. believers are not stupid and nonbelievers are not either. this is a question that has bothered probably every man who has walked the face of the earth... we just want to know what else is there? whats my purpose? whats the damn point anyway? we are just not smart enough yet , if we ever will be as a human race, to comprehend such things. there is just too much. choosing to believe something is a risky thing... but can be a beautiful thing too.. there is nothing wrong with having hope. but that is talking about belief itsself and not religion which is a whole different ballgame and can get dangerous if not practiced with a level head. maybe we will know when we die, or not know because we are dead and our souls do not live on which is the truth being displayed to us we are just not alive to understand it... or maybe we will die and have life after and still not know hahahahah isnt it all cruel? anyway, to all of you who have honestly considered that you cannot know for sure and not just taken for granted that what mom and dad told you about your religion is the truth no buts about it..... and still chosen to believe, i completely respect that. and for those of you who have truly considered different beliefs and still chosen not too i respect that too. and for those like me still hoping that some big sign will drop down in front of our faces saying... THIS IS IT!!!!!THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE WANTED TO KNOW FOR SO LONG!!!!!!! even though you know that thats not gonna happen, good luck keeping your sanity. lets all have a little more respect for others beliefs ... if not necessarily the religions themselves and all the shit that sometimes goes with it.... we all know that every one of us wonders about this at some point. does anyone really have THE ANSWER? no .. not the answer for everyone. some people may have AN answer... which will do for them.. but dont force it on others. we are all just trying to get by and grow and find out what we can.

 

Aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahah this thread owns.

 

whatever christ, m'hmmmmid, moses, buddah or baha'u'llah (or any of the rest of them) may or may not have been,
the same unknowable they all rightfully and honestly claimed to have channeled
(or attempted to explain, as neither buddah nor lao tsu claimed to
have channeled anything, only to have made an honest effort to objectively
observe)
was neither male, female, black, white nor unique to our one little dustspeck of a world in all the great vast infinte universe that surrounds us.

to deny that all of the knowledge known collectively by our species
is surrounded by more delightful straingeness then we could ever
begin to immagine is to deny the very core of our own being.

but to split hairs over what our speculations might have had for breakfast, is the utter depth of infantile inanity.

=^^=
.../\...

 

I would like to express my views on the question of athiests ability to be good.
I think that all humans are selfish. This is because our driving instict is survival and whether conciously or sub-conciously all our actions have our own interest at their root.
This does not mean that a person will do as they wish regardless of the concequences as a persons actions will usually have some effect on that person.
It is my opinion that people are a sum of their experiences and that if everyone around me had positive experiences then their behaviour would be more positive towards me which would make my life an easier and less risky one therefore increasing my chances of survival.
So by being good to those around me I am increasing my chances of survival.
I suggest that we are "good" because, ultimately and regardless of how we dress it up, it benefits ourselves.

 

Yeah so I'm a little late on the bandwagon but...

HOLY SHIT FUCK! How did a post in the Atheism Forum meant for humor and amusement, turn into the fucking gospel. Everyone, Athiest and Theist, preaches about religious tolerance but what people need to understand is that the only way tolerance is possible is to shut the fuck up and stop preaching to those who DON'T GIVE A SHIT!

You Christians want to know why us Athiests are so depressed and pissed off all the time? IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU! We get badgered with your bullshit on a constant basis and you don't even recognize it. I mean, we can't even listen to the president talk without being beaten with his jesus crap. We don't care what you have to say or that you love Jesus... you don't see us with Athiest fish on the back of our cars. And by the way, we don't need to see shirts that say, "Jesus Loves" or "Jesus is Alive" because you know what, THAT is ignorance at its finest.

The truth is that no one knows the truth. So believe what you want, but shut the fuck up in the mean time.

 

God has a plan for every person. Some people are destined to find God much later in life, and hopefully they don;t have to go through the instruction of hell, or at least they have an easier time of it that some of us.


A good question to ask is: Why does God remain hidden (except to those who know and accept God). Answering this question would tell us allot about what is going on.

 

I'm reposting an earlier letter here
For it is VALID

Yes;.. Christianity is the butt of many a joke.

What jesus said was no joke. he spoke from the heart [of reason]
Religion however.

Speaks from self interest.
Organised religion exists to make sure it exists.
And any who get in the way are crushed.

Exactly the same as politics.
Organised religion IS politics.

That is why agnostics have a good chuckle over the validity of religion.
It is human politics..

And as such.. Has no 'objective' validity. [it exists as a structure of information,,interprteted by humans,,and no more]

Occam

 

Karl

Correct.

Everything exists as a structure. [ordered by the rules of reality]
Without structure.
Our reality would not exist.
[current theory even has empty space as a structure]

Occams agnosticism is an information structure in his head.
A rational perspective on other information structures interpreted from
neural input.
The structure reason..Being the processs that results in the greatest accuracy to objective reality [structures of input] that humans know of at this time.

Occam

 

Well said. Because we have, for this moment in our species' history, no significant natural evolutionary restraints on us, we are able to rise above our more selfish instincts. It is this ability that separated us from earlier parallel species, such as Neanderthals. What evolved into homo sapiens was the line of humans who could cooperate in order to be more successful. This cooperation allowed us to evolve a bigger brain through those interactions over time.

It is simply to our advantage to be "good" toward one another than to be "evil."

 

How can God, simulataneously, have a plan and give us free will? It is mental gymnastics--a conscious intellectual decision to believe in God without anything approaching prrof. It is to accept that reason fails.