Osama Bin Laden Dead

I don't know if it's necessarily hypocrisy, but it is a pretty good lesson that the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Unfortunately we probably won't learn anything from that...

 

I dont celebrate death.. I really dont understand why some of you would think its an acceptable attitude and I really hope you dont consider yourselves hippys .. you'd have to be delusional

why is it that we have to give terrorists and murderers in the US a fair trial, but it is okay for our international police to torture and kill muslims and other brown people without fear of any repercussion? It is because the people running the US government want, and are even counting on another world war in the near future.

 

I don't think he "had" to die now, just that he needed to die period. I mean that it's for the better that he was killed, which just happened to be last week, apparently.

And don't get me wrong, I don't say that just because his target was Americans. I believe there are terrorists within the United States' system as well as many others that also don't deserve to walk the earth. But who am I to say who deserves what.

 

I don't support torture, or ''torture or killing of muslims or other brown people without fear of repercussions."

But again, due process in the US, Canada, and the UK only applies to citizens, and not foreign military combatants. That argument has no legal merit.

The only solution would be to assimilate the rest of the world into western law, which would be in an of itself an act of colonization.

 

No.

 

If we consider the moral maxim by which these rights are legally granted, do they not necessarily apply to everyone if we wish not to be contradictory? "All citizens of the United States" is not a moral statement; "all human beings" is. My point is, we never argue that human rights are defined based on citizenship, only that this is how they can be enforced. Is there any way to argue that some people deserve dignity and fairness while others do not? I think that by ascribing rights to anyone, it must follow that we ascribe them to everyone.

 

I'm with you.

The thing to do would've been to take him alive and try him in court in front of all the people who lost loved ones in 911. That would've been dignified, and it would've closed the issue. Now the fucking guy's a martyr.

...and something's gotta give with this unauthorized pre-emptive military backed murder bullshit...

And the drones continue to hammer away...I guess they won't stop now that so many people get a pay check from it...

 

Why?

 

Yup.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights."

It doesn't say, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all American citizens are created equal..."

 

I'm afraid we havent even seen it 'start' yet... Automated drones that don't require any risk of american personnel, but need lots of money to feed, that can eliminate anyone regardless of evidence....

Yeah... I think you will see this develop as a new 'long arm of us diplomacy'.

"We aren't invading you, in fact, not a single american entered your country... Now, about that trade agreement."

 

what was bin laden watching on TV?..


Abbottabad and Costellobad..

:leaving:

 

lol orison, I heart the shit out of you sometimes.

 

I don't see any benefit to it. The only reason to do it is to prove he's dead and I don't think we need to. Al Queda says he's dead, we say he's dead, anyone else is too much of a loon to be bothered with.

So no benefit and there is a negative, in that we don't look good parading around corpses.

 

I saw it fall, I don't know that it collapsed...

 

We have police officers shooting muslims and other brown people without any fear of anything.

Osama's killing will get (and has already gotten) far more scrutiny than a bog standard police home invasion, followed by the murder of the homeowner when he attempts to defend his property, as happens quite frequently in the US and around the world.

Why is killing a terroristic genius so much worse than shooting some guy in salt lake city who picked up a golf club in the seconds before he realized what was happening, when strange people smashed his door down?

Why is killing a massively wanted and guilty terroristic genius a bigger deal than when oakland transit cops shot an unarmed black man in the back, while they where forcing him to lie facedown with his hands on his head?

Killing osama may not have been lawful, but it was not "wrong", I'm sure the guy who pulled the trigger hasen't lost much sleep, and I wouldn't either. But everyone with a political agenda wants to make it sound like it wasen't fair to him. I don't GIVE a fuck about him or his rights, he's one of the worlds few people to be totally exempt from that sort of concern.

All you people looking out for osama's "rights", need to seriously consider where you are every single day as citizens are brutalized, murdered, robbed under the guise of "seizure", and more, by police, in this country and abroad. Makes you seem like a bit of a monster, that you care about osama but not people who didn't gloat about causing thousands of deaths.

 

This illegal killing and the reaction of the mass media as well as politicians like the German head of state who say that they are happy about it is just a bad joke, humanistic values are being completely destroyed by the corporate mass media, politics and other in this extreme war capitalism.
First thing that dies in a war is truth, humanity and objectivity.

 

That's three things.

 

If you think he should have been a prisoner, you have NO understanding of islam, or it's wacked out followers.

Very NEARLY as bad as christians.

 

Geo-informatics sustained or unsustained? with and against those militarily rich governments. I'm on a role.