Osama Bin Laden Dead

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  1. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Good point. That's definitely possible. There's no real glory in mowing down an unarmed, feeble old man.
     
  2. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    Not only that, but also this issue...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/south_of_scotland/8197370.stm

     
  3. ChronicTom

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    On the matter of conspiracies and such that spring out of this... they really do cause them on purpose for distraction.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/05/06/osama-bin-laden-raid-firefight.html

    There is video of the whole thing from start to finish, whether or not they will ever admit. They could have released the whole thing, pictures of bin laden at the same time... there would have been a flare up over it, and it would have faded.

    This way, they can keep "Obama Killed Osama" on the headlines for the foreseeable future... with the final chapter in it, evidence being released to prove whatever the best story is at the time.

    Much like the birther issue... why kill it when you can wait,letting it roil and rumble and then kill (figuratively speaking) someone like trump at the same time and take the wind of of the tea party sails while you're at it.
     
  4. willedwill

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    Then and now again it comes to staying out of trouble yourself.:biker:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDZFf0pm0SE&feature=related"]YouTube - Stevie Wonder ~ Superstition
     
  5. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    They said the night it was announced, as well as the next day that there was live video feed of the event taken from the soldiers helmets and that the President as well as some others watched it all go down from the situation room.

    Then in the few days that followed they said there was no video, and that Obama and the others were receiving "updates of various media sources" in the room, and not live video...
     
  6. Meliai

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    I'm assuming this video is marked classified? I'm not exactly sure how that works, but it makes ya think..its going to be interesting when it becomes declassified, many years from now.

    This is where it gets really confusing. I've heard reports that they saw a live feed of the whole event from start to finish , but I've heard two seperate statements from the administration. One is that they were watching what you mentioned, updates of media sources, and I've also heard a statement that they did indeed view a live feed but all it showed was what went down outside the compound.

    "what went down outside the compound" is going to be my future rap song about the situation :D
     
  7. ChronicTom

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    What they say and what is true isn't always the same...

    Whether they had a live feed of the whole thing in the white house isn't really important (besides being truthful or not). There is no way they did this without cameras on each of the seals...

    just like this;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XJu-2E7RT4"]YouTube - US Navy SEALs Obstacle Course Helmet Cam

    The technology we use, comes from development and research for the us military branches mostly. If you can buy it off the shelf for yourself, they have something at least twice as good.

    If it would have been a chance thing, as in they found out he was in a house they were beside during a sweep, I could understand them not having cameras...

    This was something that was in the planning and development for a long time.

    Will they ever admit publicaly that they have them? Who knows... it all depends on if they think the reaction to them will overcome the fact that they said they didn't have them.

    As for things becoming declassified... The only things that become declassified are the things they want declassified...

    I'll look around, I just read an article about that very issue in regards to this... The white house chooses what is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.
     
  8. ChronicTom

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    No clue where that article I read was, but this was the info they presented;
    EOP is Executive Office of the President

     
  9. Voice of Truth

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    I'm an old hippie and I'm a retired lawyer. I'm not certain what or if anything happened. (Hell, I'm not even certain this Osama guy is real) But one thing I'm certain about is that there is a whole lot of lies being told.

    But than again, nothing has changed in my lifetime. The liars still lie and the majority of americans still allow themselfs to be fooled. So It won't make a difference in how I vote. Before I was legal age to vote, I promised myself I would only vote for an honest politician. Needless to say, I've never voted in my life.
     
  10. Logan 5

    Logan 5 Confessed gynephile Lifetime Supporter

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    You need to get some sources that have at least some credibility-
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/05/years-of-deceit-us-openly-accepts-bin-laden-long-dead/


    Would you expect anything less? Burial at sea is a last resort. It's very insulting to them.


    Not that I am aware of. At least no counting the Soviet-Afghan war.


     
  11. skip

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    Get this! Bin Laden's compound was actually a Pakistani ISI safe house used to hide terrorists on their way to Kashmir to fight India. Bin Laden has been in Northern Pakistan since 2003, sheltered by the ISI.

    Likewise it's very possible the ISI is also sheltering other Al-Qaeda leaders as well as Taliban leaders the US is seeking.

    No wonder it's been so hard to find these ppl! The US should be plenty pissed off. Don't forget Pakistan is also the country that allowed the nuke technology to proliferate so that countries like North Korea and Iran could get it.

    http://www.debka.com/article/20912/
     
  12. skip

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    And there's more! A Saudi paper is reporting that Bin Laden's cover was actually blown by his second in command, Al Zawahiri, because he wanted to take control of the terror organization. According to the report, the courier who led the US forces to the compound knew he was being followed and deliberately led them to Bin Laden.

    If this is true, then far less credit goes to the CIA and US intelligence services who've been easily manipulated by Pakistan and Al-Qaeda for 10 years into thinking Bin Laden was in Afghanistan or the tribal areas.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384358/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Al-Qaeda-power-struggle-led-Zawahiri-turn-leader.html
     
  13. Meliai

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    so basically anything of relevance.

    I took voting very seriously after I turned 18, but now that I'm old enough to have become properly disillusioned, I doubt I'll ever vote again.

    Its hard to say if Pakistan manipulated them or if they allowed themselves to go along with this in order to put hundreds of thousands of troops on ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know nothing about military tactics but even I know that when finding one man, a highly trained, covert force is required. Hundreds of thousands of ground troops qualifies as occupation, and I think the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan clearly indicates that Bin Laden was never a main objective for the U.S.
     
  14. ThePepsiSyndrome

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    Here is my own theory what happened that I just completely pulled out of my ass:

    President Obama gave direct orders to the military to capture bin laden and only kill him if they had no choice. The military, from the uniformed gentleman who was in the sit room with the President in that famous photo all the way down to the actual team that did the killing, disobeyed Obama right to his face by executing an unarmed, sick old man on camera. The reason that there was and still is so much confusion about the details of that raid is because President Obama was and still is absolutely livid that the military brass thumbed their noses at him.

    Now he has a problem. He can't crucify them the way he wants to because they are now national heroes and the country would never forgive Obama for vilifying the very team that brought us our long awaited justice. So he just has to grin and bear it and get their story straight. It took time, which is why Obama's statement to the country was an hour and a half late.

    I heard that the raid was being watched live by the people in that room and of course recorded. Now they are saying that there is, like, twenty-five minutes missing because there was no live video feed. I guess they shold not have let Nixon's secretary handle the video equipment, lol.
     
  15. McLeodGanja

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  16. ChronicTom

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    I've seen a couple of articles along those lines and I'm not really sure what to think about it...

    The story fits as well as any other for what we know...

    I do wonder though, if that had happened, why would he have to call into question the actions of the seal team themselves? He doesn't directly command them. Would he not just have to go after the highest person in the chain of command that disobeyed his order? Or, at least the highest person he 'could' go after...
     
  17. _zero_

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    Navy Seal to Osama: "Tell the 72 virgins that Uncle Sam says hello." :D

    The Taliban, al qaeda, and the US government now agree that Osama was killed last week -- the first time they have ever agreed on anything. I guess that only proves to some people that all three organizations are now a part of the same conspiracy. :rolleyes:

    Cynical? Jaded? Disillusioned with life? Don't know who you can trust anymore? Look no further than the Pakistani Intelligence Service. Those guys still know how to keep a damn secret! Too bad their acronym almost spells piss. That's about what they are worth.
     
  18. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I'm very happy for the families who were in some way affected by the events of 9/11. Whether or not the given story of 9/11 and/or Osama's death is the truth is somewhat irrelevant, with regard to this subject. A man who was focused on the destruction of Americans is dead and that is a good thing. And while I don't necessarily agree with America's ways, especially when it comes to the wars of the last 10 years, Bin Laden had to die, one way or another. The details of the mission are semantics, in my opinion.
     
  19. Scorpio Kenny

    Scorpio Kenny Church of the Good Earth - ArchBishop

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    IDK.

    Do you think that the government should release the photo to the citizens of the United States of America?
     
  20. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Why did he have to die now, though? Why not when he was focused on the destruction of Soviets? It's just a neverending cycle of hypocrisy by the americans.
     

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