Osama Bin Laden Dead

If he was brought to trial, thousands of americans would have died, a full on jihad would have happened, and you should know this.

Revenge makes it sound like it's about us. I don't feel better knowing that he's dead, I feel better knowing that his terrorist network just lost it's bankroll, and that his supporters know what happened, without rubbing it in their face or disgracing him.

We did it on his level: an eye for an eye. And it worked, for once.

 

Bin Laden had blood on his hands but he was shot an unarmed man.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146

 

This is all bullshit. I dont think he's dead but IF he is...he deserved what he got.

 

well I don't think it's bullshit.

execution squads are against my view of how people and states should behave,
especially in supposedly democratic societies, which the West constantly preaches
as the shining paragon of nationhood to the rest of the world.

maybe you think the Geneva Convention is bullshit too,
what's so bad about torture / mustard gas etc?
in which case we'll agree to differ.

 

Thank you Orison for posting this quote. Jesse has a great point. In most of North America, a human being is innocent until proven guilty. And because of the way in which the United States government chose to execute this mission, Osama Bin Laden died an "innocent" man.

The moment we start accepting loopholes in the legal system, society will start to become savage, starting with the loss of our legal rights.

 

See above for execution without trial. Doing it "on his level" means there is no longer any pretence of a distinction between actions by terrorists and actions by the US.

Clearly the perpetrators of 9/11 considered that to be the eye they took for an eye. Whose eye will be taken next?

 

Rules are made to be broken.

A "war on terror" was never a good idea, not fucking around in the middle east was a good idea. But bush chose the war on terror, and because of this, it fell to obama to uphold the honor of the US and finish what we started, and he did that. And holding osama prisoner would be silly, it would only be further stepping on the toes of those who feel their toes are being stepped on. Everyone understands war, and he declared war on us, and we shot him. But to take him prisoner, while we all KNOW what the punishment should be and will be, and try and punish him in the world's view, would only vindicate him and make people rally in his cause.

It's not the best outcome, but it's the best that obama could POSSIBLY have gotten, since bush dragged us into this mess. If you say you'll get him and spend a decade stomping around the globe killing people and going bankrupt, you BETTER get him, and holding this guy as a prisoner when his crimes area well known, including by his own admission, was NOT an option. It would only make his side stronger.

The guy had a dead or alive bounty, and holding him wasn't an option, nor was letting him go after bush started all this. I don't know how you guys can imagine a better ending, without rewinding time and not electing bush.

 

hey its good they got him but sorry to say some else will take his place

 

Hopefully someone without his hand in the saudi treasury.

 

Admiral Ackbar did NOT destroy the Death Star. A Rebel pilot did. Ackbar just happened to be the one who recognized a trap. This is not an Ackbar victory, but a rebel victory. Don't let this distract you from the fact he's never produced an official Mon Calamari birth certificate.

Due process has never applied to enemy combatants. It doesn't in Canadian law either.

 

i would say that your statement is a sweeping generalisation of some people on both sides of the arguments... there are some "conspiracies" that don't stand up to real investigation, but in my experience there are real important ones that do... they have real facts and are in no way conspiracies, just labelled like that for the convenience of the powers that be... and those facts are ignored by people like you... i don't know why you do that.... it may be fear or it maybe that you are a mole of some sort... idk...

 

It isn't fake as long as Israel doesn't have the right to exist. Begin's Israel had a right to exist. We know better now. I mean we live in an environmentally stable towards justice world.

Thedope you were asking me how enlightened and overcome from the barriers of enlightnement I was yesterday? Then I watched Michael Moore.

 

Note to self: If I start up a paramilitary organization that kills thousands in other countries, and I gloat about it on television and threaten to kill thousands more, I might not get a trial when I get caught.

Hmm... Maybe I should just skip all that and stay alive.

 

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/06/al-qaeda-confirms-bin-ladens-dead/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

 

the only sure thing is, he is dead. no one except the crazy would take the risk that , after some time, the real osama pops up again alive and kicking. that would be a total disaster, possibly even worse.

either he was executed in cold blood after being captured , which can explain why no one is gong to inspect the body EVER
(imagine the scenario, US wanted this op to look like a righteous shootout with a tremendous villain but in the end they got a body with clear evident sign of a coup de grace, something you cant sell to the media without being asked : why the fuck you carried on a fair trial even for the monstruous and guilty-beyond-any-possible-doubt nazi chiefs but no trial was due for him ? trials are made to make the truth known. obvious answer, because he could tell a few very embarrassing things so he is better dead than talking. this also is the version of his wife: captured and then killed),
or he died years ago, maybe in tora bora, and was exhumed by your administration for their contingent purposes .

either way one turns this extremely crappy and degrading tale , there is no way to escape from the big question #1 which is, if you got the fucking corpse, for what reason on earth you dumped in the middle of the ocean the unique evidence of what you actually did ? please dont sell us that crap about the moslem going berserk after the pics, it is offensive for an average intellect.

it is understandable that the us people wanted revenge but in my opinion this is just another chapter in one of the most infamous swindles in history. i think that a decent people should seek not just apparentjustice, but truth after all. this said everyone knows osama was a bloodthirsty asshole , but this is not a good reason for taking centuries of civilization and using them to wipe ones ass clean. the US admin is clearly lying to its own people which is you guys, exploiting the haze of popular elation for disguising this very obscure operation under the excuse of revenge.

oh, talking about Obama, it is really fitting for a nobel peace prize to show up on world TV and announce that they 'terminated' some enemy. :ack2:uke: of course your lousy imperial wars will go on, guantanamo concentration camp will continue its 'activity', and generally speaking your fucking criminal foreign politics wont be changing by the least bit. once again the united states managed to act a loathsome role . it s not by acting like pirates, murderers and thieves that you are going to win peace. And that wouldn't even be fair. war is all you deserve because war is all you bring around.

For you sow the wind, and you shall reap the whirlwind.

 

But isn't that exactly what we did with the original "Geronimo". He ended up on a reservation signing autographs. We didn't deem it necessary to bury him at sea. He even rode in Theodore Roosevelt's 1905 innaugural parade he appeared in wild west shows and the world's fair. I don't remember anyone vindicating him or rallying to his cause.

 

Osama was as much an enemy combatant as Saddam, who did get a trial.

 

I think way too many people are too quick to scream conspiracy... especially when it comes to any sitting government (myself included)...

In this case, I think the biggest 'conspiracy' about his death is simply that he was a feeble sick old man, and they knew they couldn't show that off as a 'trophy', either dead or alive...

I think if they do eventually give into pressure to release a photo, all we will see is a head shot, in order to hide his health and condition at the time.

 

That and the fact that the body was dumped at sea hours after being killed.

Exactly.

 

Well, I think the decision to dump the body was based on that, not the other way around.

There is no way they would have done something that would hurt them (the us government) in terms of image.

They would know what the result of dumping the body and not having it to show off would be, therefore, that they dumped it, means it would have been worse to bring it back.

The only way it could be worse to bring it back (assuming it didnt come from a deep freeze), is if he was a sickly old man...