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LOL – man you have to twist reality through 360% to make it fit in with your prejudices its hilarious seeing jump through such hops.

OK dictionary definition of Feminism (a real one not you imagined one)

: the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

So your statement doesn’t make sense – it’s saying you do and you don’t at the same time

No you identify as an anti-feminist because it seems you hate women having their own word with its nasty female-based prefix

When I first read this I thought ‘oh he’s still stuck in that black and white world of his’ – that in your view you can only be one or the other – and then I began to wonder why – why is this such a BIG DEAL to you – you seem to really hate the fact that women have their own ‘ism’ their own word – that you seem to loath the very idea of a female-based prefix.

As I’ve said earlier there seems to be a lot of hate in your posts, hatred of anything that you don’t agree with, you spit out things like ‘feminist’ and ‘socialist’ or ‘muslim’ with what seems like real venom, as if you want to do real harm to such people not just verbally abuse them.

I really think you need to begin thinking about where these irrational hatreds came from and why you seem to like to hold on to them.

 

I feel like rejection is at work here. If there weren't an element of rejection, no one would be complaining about sexual harassment. Sexual harassment happens, and it's bad. I also feel like you, 6-eye, are a reasonable individual who is above being a sexual harassment denier; such that a denier suggests that the harassment in question doesn't exist. It exists!

I think the bozos who published an article about what millennials believe or don't believe is misguided at best. I'll read the article after I post this. But, millennials are right to a certain degree, if in fact that is what they believe! I think there is an appropriate set of circumstances in which to ask a lady for a drink. One could argue though that it is simply impolite to ask a lady out for a drink under other circumstances rather than it being sexual harassment. But it seems to me that being impolite and sexually harassing someone might share a border or something. It's best not to tread in that area lest we become perpetrators I guess.

EDIT: I read and found out that

 

You both missed my point and proved my point in one fell swoop lol

You're still cherry picking the most extreme examples.

I'm quite sure there are organizations out there that help women in oppressive middle eastern cultures but I'm not sure what you expect the average western feminist to do, helicopter in and start rescuing any woman in a Burka they see? Walk around America with anti-Iran picket signs in a completely empty, meaningless gesture?

As for your other examples, plenty of feminists care about those issues. I am a feminist and a proponent for equal treatment in family court. I watched a male friend get completely screwed over in family court even though he's an amazing dad and the mom is a piece of shit. It sucks.

I think it is important to put that into historical context though .Women have always been considered caretakers and homemakers, this is a patriarchal viewpoint .The idea that women can work and men can care for children is a feminist viewpoint.

 

Oprah Backs Down On 2020 Presidential Race – The Daily Lev
Well, there is still a chance Madonna will run for President..

 

Please refer back to post 77. We can keep going in circles but I'm not gonna cave in.

Thank you for proving my point: you seem to prefer gynocentric words over more suitable gender-neutral ones that convey inclusivity by the way the words sound (instead of exclusivity).

I offered you egalitarianism as a gender-neutral, inclusive alternative. You shut me down. LOL

You see, if you were a "feminist" by the dictionary's terms, you'd have no problem calling yourself Egalitarian. Hell, you'd probably even want to find an androcentric equivalent to feminism to be put into the dictionary too.

Why are you so afraid?

You'd be surprised about the kind of person I am. I'm actually quite gentle, laid back, and easy to get along with. I have plenty of left leaning friends and family members. And I'm still in touch with my muslim ex-roommate. I don't let my differences of philosophy with others cause conflict if it's avoidable.
Yes I'm critical towards people who hold views I find illogical, and members of religions with cultish traits. But so are you. I see just as much coming from you about Libertarians and Social Darwinism.

You might despise me but I don't hate you.





Side Note: I'll address the rest of these posts later. Gotta get to yoga class.

 

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But post 77 already has been criticised, criticisms you don’t seem to be addressing – to repeat – you wish to define women who advocate for women’s rights as suffering from mental illness and of been mean, spiteful, vindictive, liars and only motivated by a hatred of men. To go on you have categorised any men that support such women or women’s rights as being not being ‘real’ men of being feminised men or as lying bastards who just want to get in a women’s knickers.

This doesn’t indicate a political difference this seems more like name calling from someone that has a deep seated hatred and fear of the women’s rights movement and those that support it (especially the women).

I mean what is your political rather than personal argument – that ‘feminism’ is about the promotion of division well only if you obsessively try to promote that viewpoint as you seem to want to.

Sorry 6 but I’m not that anally retentive – basically it doesn’t make me angry like it does you. Why does it make you so angry?

Why are you so angry?

Thing is when someone has to tell you they are gentle and laid back it instantly make me wonder why they have to tell you they are. I remember this person that told me how ‘calm’ a person they were by screaming it at me two inches from my face.

I think I will continue to make an assessment based on what you write.

Yes that is called debate – people present ideas – others agree or are critical – the presenter and those that agree with the idea try to address the criticisms.

You don’t seem so much to be addressing the criticism than saying you wish to ignore them.

I mean look at this reply

You reference back to another post that expresses you hatred of ‘feminists’

You express your hatred of female ‘gynocentric’ words

Then you have to inform us that you are not really a hateful person.

I don’t despise you, I don’t hate you - look you’re clearly an intelligent person but it seems to me that have lost your way. I think if you began questioning more, read more widely and began to try and understand more and hate less you could really mature as a person.

 

Neo, I like you, and I can understand your ambition to restore positivity to what it means to be a feminist. There are still good ones out there who identify as feminists, like you and Christina Hoff Sommers.

But I have to say that people like you and Hoff Sommers are fighting an uphill battle against the Gloria Stinems, the Anita Sarkesians, the “free bleeders,” and the Linda Sarsours of the world who are a like a cancerous growth upon the world.

1st wave feminism in the early 20th century was necessary. It gave women a political voice for the first time.

2nd wave feminism was necessary in the mid 20th century, as more women took on corporate jobs where male locker room talk was acceptable for many years; this was considered offensive to many women. And there needed to be a cultural shift to create an environment of acceptable co-ed workplace social conduct.

3rd wave feminism is the present day? What’s the point? What rights do men have that women don’t? The wage gap is a proven myth. Modern feminists are trying to redefine the definition of rape to include everything from regret-sex, to glancing at a woman’s boobs (eyeball-raping) . The patriarchy isn’t keeping you down; there are double standards that men and women face equally in every aspect of life. Being a dude has its advantages and disadvantages, just as being a chick has its advantages and disadvantages.


At this point, feminism has devolved into nothing more than devisive left wing conspiracy theories and misandry. And it’s shameful.

 

Well the Women's March sure as hell ain't.

They spent millions of dollars on a "ban the word bossy" campaign. Which could've gone toward the financing of a woman's rights campaign in the middle east. Or a political campaign in favor of women's rights in an area of the world where it's desperately needed.

But no.

They didn't.

I mean for god's sake. women in Iran right now are fighting to regain the freedoms they once had before the 1979 revolution. Fighting to be liberated from the hijab. Where the fuck are western feminists standing up for them on that one?

Of course they're not over there fighting for women's rights. They're over here dressed as vaginas, littering the streets with trash. Offending the Islamic establishment is a HUGE step outside the left-wing's comfort zone.

So it's the patriarchy that's punishing men in custody court? I guess that's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that men have more violent urges, and masculinity is more toxic towards children.

When you tell a young woman that her shortfalls are due to the patriarchy and institutional sexism, you are robbing her of the agency to improve herself. You are giving her a ready-made excuse, rather than working on improving those areas where she'll be better the next time around. This is telling her she won't succeed.

 

Soul, I worry about you. Seriously.



Tell me, where is the "sexual" harassment factor in asking a lady out for drinks?

Now, I can see how this would fall under general harassment if and only IF you ask her out for drinks over and over again and she keeps telling you NO!

Thanks to these 3rd wavers, we are seeing a rise in 25 year old millennial virgins who are too petrified to date, for fear of sexual harssment litigation in the court of law.

I mean, my GOD! If courtship falls under sexual harrassment, don't be the least bit surprised when you see a rise in males going MGTOW, and a huge spike in husbandless crazy cat ladies.

 

My point is that "no feminist" knows what it's like to have to sit on public transit while being the owner of a pair of testicles. (male feminists especially)

Wasting millions on an ad campaign. That's what. Besides, who says that "bossy" is female specific? There's plenty of women who are dying of breast cancer who could've used that money. What are you, selfish or something?

If you think women are too dumb to wear an extra layer, or is incapable of comprimizing with her male coworkers to adjust the thermostat accordingly, you're sexist.

She wanted to make a hit-piece on the men's rights movement. But as she continued her research, she got Red Pilled (which is the opposite of being "Woke). While I'm not an MRA myself, they actually have a few valid things to say and they have every right to have their voices heard. It seems that whenever they try to hold a seminar about men's issues, they're shut down by radfems who pull the fire alarm. And when they try to voice about the discrepancies of female advantages over males, they're often silenced out with such hashtags like: #ibatheinmaletears #masculinitysofragile #killallmen, and more

I'm not an MRA myself. In fact, a lot of them annoy me. They play the same victim complex that feminists always play. They try to have a pissing contest with feminists over which gender is more oppressed than the other. Well guess what: You're both oppressed

As I said before. There are advantages to being a chick; there are advantages to being a dude. Just as there are disadvantages to being a chick as there are for being a dude.

 

I've had one drink too many

Pardon my vulgarity.

*Hickup*

 

I think the womens' rights movement in the first and second wave were necessary as mentioned above.

You seemed offended and put off by the E-word and I'd like to know why.

I'm not screaming at you 2 inches from your face. Not sure why you read my posts as such....
I sense that you're a passionate individual for your belief system. Just as I am. We may not agree on much, but I can sense that you're riled up by opposing viewpoints that may offend or provoke you.

It seems to me when you're provoked, you frame your opponent as hateful.

I'm not saying I'm a perfect debater myself. I too have gone off the deep end.

When one is accused of a misrepresentation, it is a natural instinct to fight back. When you felt misrepresented or generalized by others, did you take it or did you fight back?


Would you feel that everyone is the same person online as they are offline? I beg to differ for the reasons that people are more apt to have their social filters turned off while online, rather than being out in public. Won't you agree? When offline, people generally have more tact and ethical approach to interaction. Online, you're much safer to be as crass as you want with less consequence.

Fair enough.

It's getting your point of view challenged that makes a person more intelligent, and reflect on their own belief systems.[/quote][/quote]

 

It falls in the realm of sexual harassment, in my opinion, but I'm not saying that it equates sexual harassment. I think that contextually it can be inferred that "something" should happen if the lady accepts. Now in some social circles that isn't the case, but without further information about the social circle I think it's fair to make some connections.

Now that's not to say I don't see where you're coming from, because I do. But I think it's important to look at it from a woman's point of view. There is potentially an expectation that one thing lead to another. You see where I'm going with this?

 

You know there are at least a dozen right wing news sites accusing western feminists of being silent when it comes to Iranian women LOL. So now I know where you're getting this stuff. Very original, man.

Anyways I think you and a dozen right wing sites are making a fallacious argument .What can I as a western feminist do to help Iranian women? What are you doing to help the homeless men you expressed concern for earlier in this thread? What are you doing to help the higher rate of suicide among men? Do you volunteer at a suicide hotline?

Or do nothing and just talk about it to make a point on an internet forum ?

We all have to pick our battles. You can't discredit an entire group because they aren't fighting the battle you want them to fight. Most people choose to fight battles closer to home. By your logic Iranian women should also be discredited because they aren't concerned with female genital mutilation in other parts of the world. What selfish radfems to only be concerned about the problems they personally face, amiright!

I didn't say it is the patriarchy that is awarding custody to women, I said the idea that women should be caregivers and men breadwinners is a patriarchal concept. You have to learn how to put things into a historical context. But things are changing and hopefully we will soon see this change reflected in family court.

 

He loves his alt news, that's for sure. Too bad he doesn't recognize most of the articles there are filled with opinion.

 

@6-eyed shaman

3rd wave feminism isn't fighting for legal rights; it's about changing particular attitudes. If you think things like locker room talk went out in the 60s and 70s, you're sorely mistaken.

Anyway, 3rd wave feminism is less a movement and more of a reaction, a backlash against prevailing attitudes that encapsulate everything from discussing Hillary Clinton's dress and makeup during debates, to shaming mothers for breast feeding, to assuming rape victims "asked for it" based on the way they dress and everything in between.

 

Manspreading doesn’t take up two seats usually (depends on his obesity). However in my own experiences on public transit, it’s ysually the woman and her tote bag who takes up two seats far more often. No laws against purse-spreading.

I take back the selfish accusation; I was feeling saucy last night.

If you support freedom of expression. Then campaigns to ban words should piss you off too.

 

???

How does asking to hang out or date mean the same thing as asking for sex?

Dating may lead to sex, depending if they’re a compatible match. But it’s not the same at all.