One Scoop Past Full (trip report)

yea. this trip totally turned my life around. even some of the factors that i didn't even have any control over have changed for the better. i'm not quite sure how that worked out. maybe by changing myself i changed the world? or maybe it was synchronicity.

i mean i wasn't exactly drinking to avoid my problems. i don't really do that. and it's not like drinking while tripping is going to help me avoid the issues of the trip. personally i like to drink some when i trip because it can help to mellow me out a little bit to step back and look at things in a much clearer way. i went from being to drunk before i took the acid to not being drunk at all 15 minutes later after i took it. it doesn't exactly mean that i am avoiding things, it just helped me to stabalise a little bit while i was tripping and actually get to what matters. in no way whatsoever does drinking while you trip help you avoid your problems. i was playing a little pong on the comeup and i pretty much just ended up having to quit in the middle of the game because the acid wasn't letting me drink anymore, and i was getting extreme anxiety even though i was drunk.

it's like taking high doses of acid is like being thrown into gale force winds. alcohol can give you something to hold onto. and if you drink before the trip then it makes the transcension from calm weather to gale force winds a little smoother. don't get me wrong though. the gale force winds are beautiful!

i guess it might be a little healthier to just have a pure experience, but that something to hang onto sure is nice! i used to use it when i was alot more inexperienced with acid to help set myself off in a positive direction after i had a semi-bad trip one time. now i just use it out of habit, and because it comforts me.

 

and it's one more security blanket you hold on to, not allowing yourself to be blown free in the eye of the storm and taken to the land of oz. just let go of it, it's not better than dosing and then shooting up heroin because 'that makes it easier'.

of course it makes it easier, no one is arguing that lol. the point is, this isn't something you dope yourself up for to make easier. this is the raw shit mang. you had a bad trip, instead of becoming a stronger person to not allow those same demons to trouble you, you give yourself chemical courage and weaker mind. alcohol doesn't just take the edge off of acid, it takes the edge off of you, that's why it's so good. but acid is all about that edge, like, it's the ONE DRUG you dont want to drink on, ya know? drink on any other EXCEPT acid, imo.

 

what im saying is that drinking doesn't 'dope' me up when i am tripping.

it's a slight crutch that allows me to travel farther than i would have otherwise.

 

I can have a few beers in the evening to relax then I feel like I want to take acid. If I already am coming up there's no way I want to drink. It actually makes me feel barfy at that point.

 

fuck....acid itself is a security blanket, if you want to get right down to it.

 

i disagree, i dont think it's like alcohol. acid doesn't comfort you, thats the whole topic of this conversation, the fact that it can be downright difficult. that is not what a comforter does. alcohol bad trips? whats that?

 

What do you mean it doesnt comfort you?...Iam not going to lie, i just said a couple posts before that iam finished with that stuff for now but it always comforted me

 

funny. i don't have much of a stomach for beer usually, but when i am tripping i sure do. i usually try to keep it to like 2-3 beers on the comeup and then after that i'll stop. but if i am not paying attention i can easily down like 15 beers before i even realise what i am doing. :cheers2:

drinking when you are sober and drinking when you are on acid are two different things entirely. no matter how much i drink while i am tripping i don't get drunk, at all. it doesn't help me escape, or avoid my problems. it just helps to calm my nerves a little and take the edge off so i can focus on what really matters. this is especially useful when i am taking a higher dose than i am accustomed to. rather than being nervous about nothing and spiraling into a negative headspace, i can sit back, relax, and see what is really going on.

now i'm not saying that this is necesarily the right thing to do. i think that idealy one should take acid and then just enjoy their trip. but we do not live in an ideal world. i have had great trips where i took no other drugs whatsoever. honestly it wasn't that much different from the trips i had with alcohol, there was just a fair bit more anxiety. but if i hadn't had the prior experience and learned how to deal with that anxiety it might have been a completely different story entirely. i would highly recomend having alcohol on hand for anyone who is new to lsd, just incase you want it. i mean it's not like it is going to hurt. drinking is definitely not detrimental to the overall experience, as long as you drink in moderation. i'm not talking about drinking a ton here. i would say that just a few during the comeup is the way to go if you feel like it might help. atleast keep it under 10.

when i got drunk before this trip i wasn't exactly planning to trip. i was just drunk and there was acid around so i took it. but after the fact i found out that it might not be such a bad idea to get drunk and then take acid afterwards. it gave an interesting effect to say the least. like i said it was like being submerged in water before one might be brought into another dimension. kind of like in constantine. i'll have to experiment more with this later.

besides... personally, sometimes i think it is nice to have a frothy companion with me when i am venturing into unexplored territory. :cheers2:

i think what he meant about acid being a security blanket is that it helps us reach places that we might not have reached otherwise. it doesn't make sense to utilise one drug and not utilise others also for these purposes. if we are going to avoid alcohol while tripping because it isn't natural then we pretty much have to avoid all drugs as well. because drugs just aren't natural, regardless of whether they are hallucinogens or not. there is a certain cosmic order that we are all in and are supposed to follow. taking hallucinogens essentially allows us to cheat and skip around.

i think that during my ideal trip i would have: more acid than i am used to taking. 2-4 strong hits. 1 pack of cigarettes. a 12 pack of some nice beer. and a few grams of some good weed. i don't like smoking pot during my trip but it sure is nice the day after, and can really help integrate the experience. and of course the whole trip would be better if i had prepared for it a little. like if i hadn't tripped in a good long time and had also been entirely sober for a week or two before the trip. not having a tolerance to alcohol, cigs, or bud, makes them so much better during the trip.

 

we are just working with different definitions of these things, for me, acid is in a group of things called 'awakeners', which can be very difficult, while alcohol, opiates, benzos are in a group of things called 'stupefiers', and my problem is the using of the one for making the other easier.

and my point is why do you need alcohol to not spiral into a negative headspace? why can't you figure out why you are spiraling into negative headspace and deal with that sober?

that's what I'm trying to get at

 

it's all you man, you don't have to defend your choice IMO

psychedelics arent a sacrament that is meant to be approached with a dogmatic mindset

 

yea i know. the main reason i would ever spiral into negative headspace is just stupid little things like anxiety on the comeup, or a fear of fear. i mean it is the less the case now, but when i was first getting into tripping after like my 4th or 5th trip after i had had a bad experience it really helped. drinking doesn't take away from the experience at all. when i am tripping alcohol leaves the catagory of 'stupifiers'. like i said drinking while sober and drinking while tripping are two different things entirely. and this last trip my trip was really augmented by alcohol, even though i didn't really mean for it to be. i mean usually when i trip now days i try to not drink but i have some alcohol on hand just incase i want it. there is no point in trying too hard to not drink.

 

to be fair my sample rate for "alcohol on psychedelics" is exactly 1, and it was terrible. worst hangover ever, the whole time my body was telling me "Why are you putting this in me? This gives me nothing." i just got a very bad reaction to it and realized its pretty much the exactly opposite of lsd.

 

yea, ive never been drunk while tripping either. closest thing was having a few beers on half an 8th of mush but that hardly counts IMO. nor is it something i'm eager to try

 

well it probably varies from person to person. but personally beer augments lsd extremely well. i'm not even much of a drinker either. but for some reason it is just great while i am tripping.

i can understand why you would have a reaction like that though mr.writer. because that basically classifies beer while not tripping. but for some reason my reaction to alcohol changes drastically if i am on acid.

 

you know... looking back on the trip it is like i ascended up to god, and then afterwards i slowly descended back to reality.

i can't think of any better way for things to be. chaos projects love so perfectly. it's so beautiful.

we can't really help others. free will is a bitch. but we sure can blaze a trail for them to follow in.

 

You've never seen someone get drunk, then cry about all the sorrow in their life that they normally keep bottled up? Or how about the raging drunk who becomes irate with everyone and himself like the flick of a lightswitch?
And then there are the minds who cling to acid as a trivial party drug, clinging to seeing fun visuals in order to alleviate boredom at the mundane world.
The potential is in the user, not the drugs at hand.

 

Just to have it be known, the first time I ever dropped acid was at 3:30 in the morning after drinking 3/4ths of a bottle of vodka by myself and making the compulsive decision to ride 40 minutes away to pick the blotter up with a friend.
I would never have tripped if I hadn't been drunk that night, and considering that it was my first psychedelic experience, all my subsequent experiences with psychedelics also would never have happened. How's that for the relationship of acid to alcohol?

That being said, my feelings on this subject are mixed. Alcohol can definitely be a useful tool, spiritually and otherwise, and can greatly help alleviate come-up anxiety and pre-trip nervousness, allowing people to discover more by being able to remain in a positive headspace, thus reflecting that positive energy back at them. It is in these situations that we grow the most, and learn the most powerful messages that allow us to become that being that will be able to perfectly show all that love that we've been shown.
Conversely, I completely understand Mr. Writer's sentiments, which seem to be that rather than completely hiding from what would throw you into a negative spiral, why not just simply address the negativity, learn why you harbor it, and accept it and merge with it, thereby relinquishing it. Most people are going to want to avoid this, simply because of the difficulty, self-reflection, and fear involved, but it's my opinion that sooner or later it will have to be done anyways, and perhaps these trips with alcohol as a crutch can help better prepare us for that moment when we will indeed have to face ourselves completely with honesty.

 

I think some drugs have a tendency to be more "spiritual" (for lack of a better term). I think it's pretty hard for someone to eat an eighth of mushrooms and not be moved by the experience. I know we're talking about acid but I've only done low doses.

You're right about alcohol though, the first time I got drunk the next day I felt like a huge burden had been lifted off of my chest because of the way my inhibitions (which are normally a force to reckoned with) had all but entirely disappeared.

 

Very true, but the drugs at hand can also have a profound impact on the potential of the user.

 

Well saiid man :cheers2: