One in six go hungry and over 3m are homeless

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Nov 18, 2009.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Amazing isn't it that no one has accurate numbers.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    So why not prohibit it outright? What the government would lose the revenue received through it's use and would have no alternate source? Thus leading to the rich having to pay their own fair share.

    And I would ask for a citation that actually proves anyone has ever died from exposure to second hand smoke. I hear these statistics bandied about all the time but I've never had an opportunity to read the actual reports.
     
  3. Rainbowtoke

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    i thought that our entire population was too fat? wtf? how can our people be hungry? i lived on the streets for years and never went hungry if i didnt want to. more bullshit from the left, eat it up folks plenty more where this came from...
     
  4. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    I do,atleast inside my business.What you do in your own home is No concern to me.
    I don't believe the rest of us "non-smokers" should have to pay a dime for your imminent health issues.


    You think its a profitable ? I say Not

    Yawnnnnn.

    Of course. Myself, I just relied on common sense. Carcinogenics are bad for you period, in any amount.

    Google may help. You spent more time on this post than would be necessary to be in the know.
     
  5. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Rainbow




    Well of course you did and I’m sure you gained from the experience and have empathy for other people’s plight.

    Now are you claiming that this is a complete fabrication and that no one goes hungry in the US and basing that view solely one your…well your extensive personal experience of ‘living on the streets’?
     
  6. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    The is very close to the old self serving right wing viewpoint of the deserving and the undeserving lower classes, people that have the ‘intelligence’ to make ‘good’ choices are deserving of help, but of course don’t need it, and those that make ‘poor’ choices must be unintelligent and are undeserving of help, and shouldn’t be given any because it would only finance their stupidity.

    I mean if they deserved help it might mean tax increases were deserved but if they don’t deserve it well….

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    And ‘rough sleeping’ is better?

    Why not call it ‘camping’ and then it sounds rather jolly.
     
  7. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    It might seem close to you, I don't see it that way,But then again anyone who doesn't follow you doctrine gets labeled right wing blah blah blah. You give the majority of these people $1,000,000 they would be broke within a year. I never said they were undeserving of help, they get plenty of that.First 1 has to be able to help himself, which many have showed time and time again they fail.Why is it any and everytime someone falls on hard times,it's always society's problem, aren't some people to blame for their problems " brought onto them by themselves" and not a problem that was forced onto them?

    Here's a perfect example of the type of people you would love for US to bail out

    Chained to Her Home and Refusing to Leave

    A Mira Mesa woman is chained to her home and refusing to leave. June Reyno is defying her eviction and says law enforcement officers will have to forcibly remove her from her foreclosed house. Reyno spent all day Monday chained to the front porch of her home on Presley Street. She and her husband have shared the house for nineteen years."I will stay chained until the police officers come and tell me that I have to go," says Reyno. "No one can care and love this home more than we and, uh, I'm not leaving."
    Reyno says it all started when she lost her job. The couple refinanced, but after two years the rate adjusted. June Reyno says their payments went from $3,999 per month to $5,800.
    "We were only able to make our payments for so long and we had to go for bankruptcy," she explains.
    She says she's exhausted and mad.
    "Now we're squatters of our own home," Reyno says. "That hurts a lot."
    Reyno is upset at a system she says took advantage of her.
    "I'm hoping that, you know, our elected officials will step up to the plate and say we can’t let this happen to the people of San Diego," she says.
    San Diego Six News asked Reyno if she's willing to take some of the blame for getting into a loan she couldn't afford.
    "Yes," she responded. "We should take the blame for that. We entered into a contract in good faith. We didn't know that the economy was going to be as bad as it is today."
    Reyno says she'll stay chained until an agreement is worked out for her to stay or until law enforcement officers take her jail. It's something she thought may have happened during our interview when a San Diego Police officer showed up. Instead, the officer just stopped by to check on Reyno and make sure she's okay.
    San Diego 6 News contacted the lawyers Reyno says she's fighting. They did not want to comment on this case.
    The locks on the couple's home have been changed and much of their belongings are inside a moving truck, but they're still holding out hope they may be able to stay.



    Channel 8 reported a more complete story. She refinanced and used $300k+ in a business venture that failed. According to sources readily available online, the house was offered up for auction one year ago with an estimated default of over $633k, and the original sale price when she and her previous husband bought it was $198k. She styled herself a foreclosure and short sale specialist.




    Get the camping gear out would be my advice to her.



    Sure, does sound rather jolly.




    Of course, more taxes is always the cure.....................
     
  8. scratcho

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    Oh,you're right cadcruzer---it's every man ,women and child for themselves here,as it should be.After all,we're not all in this together--it's "I got mine--fuck you if you make some wrong choices.You and your family get your asses out on the street." Regulations and oversight of the money lenders would have precluded all this mess we're in.I forgot--you're doing OK.Everything is fine then.I don't even have to ask if you're a republican.
     
  9. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    If you feel sooo strongly about it, go chain yourself to her house.Since you're in this together "Where the fuck are you?"

    The lack of Regulation and oversight didn't get her in to this "and many like her" they signed a refinance agreement with a adjustable rate, a rate they knew they couldn't afford.
     
  10. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Surprised?

    More Than 50 Percent of Rescued Homes in Foreclosure Again

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    More than 50 percent of home loans modified under foreclosure prevention programs during the first and second quarters of 2008 have become delinquent again, after a period of just six months. As explained by U.S. Comptroller John Dugan, the modified loans reached $6 trillion, about 60 percent of all primary home mortgages in the U.S.

    Source
     
  11. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    You know nothing and I ,frankly don't have the time or inclination to educate you about conservatives,law,oversight and morality. Everythings fine.Just carry on. We all know the whole mess was the consumers faults.My republican friends told me so.
     
  12. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    I know enough to NOT borrow more than what I can afford to pay back, I know enough to Not to refinance my house for 3x its original worth. I know not to sign an agreement over my budget .I know to live within my means,and I don't have the time to educate these people or you on how to do it, it relies more on common sense than anything something alot of people lack.
    Yea, it was and always is the governments fault, regardless of who's running it.

    I have always been critical of the Shady lending practices, and the morons who fell for it.They both share equal blame, it's not as one-sided as you have been led to believe. The high risk loans idea was another Democrat backed idea that went down the shitter.
     
  13. YoMama

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    I hate to tell you but the economic system we are under is not capitalism it is corporatism. The big corporations have pushed the small business person out of the market by buying off the government officials to put such huge regulation laws that it makes it very difficult for the small business owner to remain in business.

    The medical industry is the worst with insurance companies and the big pharmaceutical companies running the show and trying very hard to ban alternative treatments.

    We are in big trouble I tell ya...
     
  14. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah,I know. I don't think it could have happened without our consent.--ie:silence,acquiescence
     
  15. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    You preach when maybe you should be asking questions?

    Why would they be broke in a year?

    Do they get ‘plenty’ of help?

    Are they failing to help themselves and if so why?

    Has the society one lives in got nothing to do with how someone turns out?

    The problem is I don’t think you want to question because you know that the answers might conflict with what you want to believe.
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  16. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Again you don’t seem to question.

    This was a system and a society where the idea of debt or leverage was fine, more than fine, something to be praised, and there were many people praising it and the system, praising the banks and the individuals making millions out of debt. There was the President telling people to go out at spend America out of recession, tax cuts were meant to be spent to boost the economy not used to pay off debt. It was being deregulated so it made it easer to get loans get credit cards get into debt.

    At the time of its collapse Lehman Brothers was leveraged 1 in 40 that is it was in debt to the tune of 40 times the assets it actually had. At other banks it was around 1 in 20. This was all being praised my many pundits of the ‘free market’ system as just common sense, it was enterprise, the pioneer spirit of risk that would bring reward, it was ‘educating’ people and many ‘learnt’ the lesson.

    Oh you might have thought it a bad lesson; I certainly did and have for years been arguing against this entire ‘free market’ clap trap that was calling for a ‘freer’ less regulated system

    Think about it, if your child came back from school and said they’d been taught by their maths teacher that 2+2=5 would you blame the child and call them a moron or would you think the teacher was more to blame.

    It wasn’t Democrat or Republican its was neo-liberal ideas that both had taken up that was at fault
     
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