Okay ATHEISTS <rolls sleaves>

Obie..
Yes better to throw in the agnostic card first..
It might even result in neural activity.. but i doubt it. lol
It seems most only see in black and white.

Occam

 

Thats me..
never spent a day in a school room
cant spell. bad grammer.
And have a pimple on my bum.

Occam

 

He does not have to prove what others put forward.. he only has disprove it.
And thats not even worth mentioning.
Where did sand come from.?
If the world was 'created' why was it created to look like it evolved... lol
The book of mathew harrison brady// slotted in between deuterononmy and numbers.. LOL

THE WORLD BEGAN IN 4004 bc on oct 26 @ 11.55.. est.

ANd FUCK the dinosaurs. planetary and stellar evolution.. Fuk the big bang and 400 billion gallaxies.. Creationists are always right.. why?
cause they say so.
The guy next door is always right too.. and he has an IQ of 6

 

Where have I been, I actually had not seen this argument before.

One thing occurs to me; when you say, “That any universe in which we might find ourselves, and in which we could possibly ponder its existence must by definition be one which allows for the conditions for life to develop and evolve.”

That does not have to be a true statement.

It could be that no such Universe may be possible no matter how many permutations there are.

Such as the fact you can’t have a universe that is all light and all dark at the same time, you can have a combination of the two but can not have both at the same time.

Such could be the case for a Universe that can support life and allow for life to spontaneously come into existence and evolve, the two things could be mutually excusive.

It may be that you could only have a Universe that could support life but not allow for life to spontaneously come into existence and evolve, one that a “God” could put life into and that life would continue to exist.

Such a Universe would allow us to exist and ponder these questions.

 

Sorry to hear about that pimple! That can really hurt!

 

I was asking him about a statement he had made, I just was wondering if he had proof to back his statement.

 

He mearly has to quote scientific method on evolutionary biology and physics.
Like any intellient person.
One believes such is true and agrees that we DO drive in cars driven by fossil fuels created over millions of years.
And ARE made of heavy elements that result of first generation stars.

Or god made it all in 4004 bc
Take your pick.. but remember.. once you anounce yourself as an idiot by
supporting creationism. nothing is ever the same..
You are forever a turkey or headless chicken in the rational world.

In educated circles.. creationists are the villiage idiot.


Occam

 

Not necessarily true.

If there is a “God” and he processes these qualities, then he could be our POR for these concepts and we didn’t really make them up.

 

Actually, you only give me two chooses and I pick neither!

Also I asked him to show be where science and what the Bible says disagree. Many don't know what the Bible really says and only think it disagrees with true science.

 

Brother. Are you saying rational organisation and planing over 14 billion years to result in life and humanity is not something a designer could do?

occam

 

Actually the bible said god flooded the world.. but there aint enough water
on earth to flood it.. just one small inconsistancy.
[maybe if we brought in 30 trillion tons of h20 from saturn orbit.]

Occam

 

this is just plain fucking stupid. grow a goddamn brain. please.

 

Only
If such are linear.
One outcome resulting in another. parallel, no such result is achieved.
a billion parallel false starts.
In parallel system one good start allways dies cause it never leads to anything..
Your talking of billions of side by side attempts.
Only a system that allows succesfull attempts to continue to exist.
In a linear selection system.
Works.

Natural selection..

And this is where it all becomes interesting...
What situation existed to allow any start at all.
I suggest a primal universe 'with ' parralel precursors'.
One of which is sets of parralel systems resulting in singular and somtimes multiply successfull objective results. where all success is linear
Us being one.
What system in out universe fits this?
Singularities.

 

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Never be that the case! But "God” could also have spent half of eternity organizing and planning (not just a measly 14 billion years) and then created the whole universe yesterday with none the wiser.

 

I really want to respond to Ignatius' argument about the anthropic principle, but I couldn't find out where you got his quote. It's essentially a response to the "fine tuning" argument which emphasizes how remarkably improbable our existence really is. If I understand it, it's saying: "It's not so remarkable. If the parameters of the universe were different, we wouldn't exist to be asking these questions. So what?" (A tautology) Or a related version: if we exist, we must be the lucky winners in the cosmic sweepstakes. Improbable as it may be, somebody always wins, and we don't really know how many chances there were. The problem I have with the argument is that it's irrefutable, and can be applied to any situation involving seemingly improbable happenings, because we can always imagine a gazillion unlucky planets in far away galaxies that nobody has ever discovered where things have turned out differently. Thus, it has no advantage over the God hypothesis in explaining reality, except by appealing to the tastes of those who prefer naturalistic explanations of things.

 

Isn’t it kind of a oxymoron to be called a bishop and not believe in God?

 

You just using gods omnipotence to bend time... piffle.
Winnie the pooh can do that

 

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “The average depth of all the seas has been estimated at 3,790 metres (12,430 feet), a figure considerably larger than that of the average elevation of the land above the sea level, which is 840 metres (2,760 feet). If the average depth is multiplied by its respective surface area, the volume of the World Ocean is 11 times the volume of the land above sea level.”14 So, if everything were leveled out—if the mountains were flattened and the deep sea basins filled in—the sea would cover the whole earth to a depth of thousands of meters.

 

Brains are notoriously hard to grow.. i had one 1/2 grown in the back yard.. but the dog ate it.
It might be easier to assemble a cray3 from a toaster and 3 broken clock radios.