Ohh baby I like it raw, yeah baby I like it rawwwww

I can tell if a Sabbath song is playing the first second a sound is made.

 

Hmm, I suppose I didn't word that entirely the way I wanted. Of course different artists are recognizable.

I guess I feel that there is more freedom in hiphop to do whatever you want and have it still be widely accepted.

I feel like the metal scene is very stringent on what is "allowed" to be metal.
Kanye West got a lot of attention when he sped up the sound of old movies to lay into a track.

I guess hiphop doesn't have a lot of sub-genres like rock does...I mean, rock has tons. Hiphop there is primarily Southern and East/West Coast (you can obviously break it down further, but a lot of hiphop is taken as a whole)

 

Now let us change the topic of conversation to this..

 

Rap is DEFINITELY more malleable than metal.
Hell, if it wants to, rap can sample metal - or Cher, without losing any punch.
However, if every metal band sounded like Led Zeppelin, or every song sounded like Crazy Train - metal would quite simply lose it's identity.
It is founded on the ideas of big sound, loud sound, angry sound, and lots of guitar.

Where rap is fundamentally a vocal/lyrical style and can really be thrown over the top of any music.


shit I had this open in another tab and you guys completely moved on by the time I replied =P

 

:cheers2:

 

But they don't so why would you even say that?

 

That is where the SUBTLE differences come to affect the sounds of various groups.

 

i could pick EHG, Darkthrone, and Sabbath in a few seconds i bet

 

I could identify J Dilla from anything out there. K West and Pharrell would be easy picks too. And Timbaland would be pretty easy, actually.

And semi ontopic, RZA is one of the most easily recognizable producers

 

You are right, there is a lot of self imposed limitation on the metal scene. It's not that big a deal though. Those who bend to popular will probably lack the ability to make good metal anyway. The true artists are going to make the music they want to, regardless of popular opinion. That is part of what makes metal, metal. The fuck you, I do what I want attitude.

Did you just say that the difference between Led Zeppelin and Beherit is subtle?! :rofl:

Stairway to Heaven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8

Beherit - Grave Desecration + Witchcraft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRAm9kmA918

I'm glad youtube provided the titles, otherwise id never be able to tell the difference

 

To show that there is a certain characteristic to the genre of metal, that not even all metal fits.

There is no specific sound you have to have to be a rapper.
You can rap about Star Wars, and the nerd culture.
You can rap about poppin' caps.
You can rap about dancing.

No one would even consider Led Zeppelin metal if it wasn't for their debut album. They would be rock. Their first album though was edgy and angry and sounded a bit like Sabbath.

 

I could write a metal song about any of those things man..... I don't get your point.

And Zeppelin aren't metal.

They're are a mixture of blues and rock.

Zeppelin did inspire the metal scene with their "heavier" sound. but the music isn't metal. Hell, go ask Rob Plant what kind of band he was in. I can guarantee he won't say a metal band haha.

 

It wouldn't be widely accepted though, would it?

 

Why does that matter?

Also I forgot to mention in my last post that, in the last five years or so, experimentation has become more and more valued by some metal fans. There is and always will be the 'old guard' if you will, but metal is certainly not the only genre where that is the case. I just listened to a new sludge band yesterday called Thou, that is pretty much textbook torturous sludge/drone, but occasionally they break the music up with these totally unexpected clean but still sort of dischordant guitar breaks, to great effect. And if you check their album on metal-archives.com, it has three reviews all greater than 80%. Blut Aus Nord released an album a few years ago called The Work Which Transforms God, and album I never got into myself but it is anything but stagnant. It was new, taking the old and morphing it into something that was almost entirely unrecognizable. And it was univerally loved--until you got the 'overrated shit' backlash. If you listen to metal long enough you start to ignore public opinion--it's an illusion anyway, there is no public opinion. only several individual ones.

 

Well, yeah, if GWAR can write a song about penguins taking over the world, I suppose you could.
But it's sorta hard to write a metal song that is happy and pleasant and slow and ambient and done entirely a cappella. You could write a rap song like that no problem.
And rap's proven it's ability to get loud and angry quite well too.

And I personally wouldn't consider Zeppelin metal, either. But that's typically the genre I hear them considered as - and as I've said, that's all cause their debut CD fit the metal sound.

 

There is a shitload of slow and ambient metal dude. Seriously, tons.

 

I've heard some ambient metal, mostly viking or angry though.
The only metal song I could describe as 'happy' that I can remember is Hero of the Day by Metallica.
Oh, and Fuckin An Animal by GWAR, that's a very happy song =P

Actually, I've even heard a song talking about how Happy Metal is Gay.

 

That post is everything "real" metal is against.

 

How is that a happy song? It's a shitty song.... I don't see how it could be happy though.

 

... is this still about metallica..?