oh.. i thought building 7 WASN'T a controlled demolition.

i mean seriously! when has rat ever said to sombody your a liaer? its you folks that tend to take an opinion an call it a lie!! there is a BIG! difference!!! so lets all calm down and not lable pepole in such a way to make ourselvs feel better about "our" position and get on with finding the TRUTH!!!!!

 

damn that was quik!LOL!

 

He is a competent and articulate young man, with many things going for him.
That is why when he makes stupid errors, it detracts from his core POV.
If he actually aknowledged he was wrong from time to time, and was honest, then the rest of his POV would shine, and a few would not have to be on his ass correcting his glaring mistakes morning noon and night.
Maybe you can ignore the glaring amount of idiotic errors he makes, in the quest to show the bigger picture, but sometimes that is not good enough



this is what im talking about! we ALL! make mistakes! we may become so passionate about "our" opinion that we loose critical thought! i myself try to ask questions, i know that sometimes they sound like confrontations, and some times they are! but my quest is for the truth! peace!
its what i want!

 

Do you seriously want me to go through his posts to show you?
Even when he is not saying somebody is a liar, he is spouting some other garbage that is not actually true, just a general rant, of which, I am sure you have read many times (he does tend to repeat himself, often).

I call something that he has said, that has been shown to be wrong, and then repeated, a lie, even when it as simple as not aknowledging he was wrong about the amount of CCTV in London.
I guarantee he will repeat that error (which will then be a lie) in a very short space of time.
That is not his opinion, that is something he is quoting from a source, and STILL getting it bloody wrong.
Not being able to comprehend one sentence and then present it honestly, is what? eccentic

I don't blanket him as being a liar until he repeats something that has been shown to be not true. We can all argue on the bigger interpretations of what goes on. But he fucks up on the simplest of things, and then repeats it.

 

I know we all make mistakes.
Making mistakes, and repeating those mistakes are two different things.
Like I said, I gaurantee he will repeat his "mistakes" in a very short space of time.

 

you leave me no choice but to ask,
what are his mistakes?

and then i have to ask, what are yours?

 

I gave one e.g, :

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=314393&page=5


Originally Posted by Pressed_Rat
I was referring to all of Greater London and other cities in England -- not just the City of London where the world is run from. However, there are 4.2 million cameras in London, so how can you argue with that when that is a fact?

Originally Posted by Hiptastic:
Can you back up that fact please?

Originally Posted by Pressed_Rat
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6524495.stm

Second to last paragraph.

Originally Posted by Odon:
There are an estimated 4.2 million CCTV cameras in Britain.

Not In LONDON


Instead of seemingly taking his every word as gospel, when somebody points out his mistakes, check them out yourself. Infact check out whatever anybody has to say.

Have I made any? good god yes, I'll leave pointing them out to you or others.
The difference is, I can admit to them and aknowledge them when pointed out to me.

 

i have to say im not into lookink into yr links right now, im tierd and just want to go to bed!! well watch a movie on my way! talk with you tomorrow! peace!
its what i want!

 

The link contained what is posted here in greater context.
C U tommorow.., chow.

 

Why, so you can claim the recordings are fake? If you want to think American Airlines personnel are part of a plot to murder their own colleagues, go ahead.

The most annoying thing about Rat's conspiracy is that it is a universal theory of everything. So no matter what the topic is, no matter where on the forum it is, Rat barges in and proclaims "No! You've got it all wrong, its not about that, its about TEH CONSPIRACY!!!!1!!! My precious CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!1!!" Nobody is allowed to discuss anything except the conspiracy. In fact in a bizarre way Rat thinks that talk about anyting except the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy. And how many times do we hear that everyone who doesn't think like Rat is "sheeple" that need to "wake up" and do their research? From someone that can't get simple facts right?

I guess this could all be dismissed as another internet forum nutter but the thing is, if you look at what Rat's "theory" is, it is really no different than Xexon's, except he replaces the word "zionist" with "globalist". It is, at the core, a modern, updated, 'extreme makeover' version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You could call it PEZ 3.0. It is the same anti semitic conspiracy theory that has been passed around for 100 years. That's why Rat can't criticise Xexon, becare essentially they believe the same thing (except, of course, Rat considers his theory to be a superior, more advanced version.

 

I understand what he does.
I understand that he attempts to fit it around anything and everything.
I just wonder why you and others spend so much time refuting him.
Clearly he is not going to come down to reality.

 

It was Pepik all along.

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O Rly?

 

I like how people here will say things, claim they did their research, and then act like it's a done deal and they must be right. Doing research will provide arguments, facts, and evidence for both sides, it just comes down to what you choose to believe.

I believe that no matter how many times you aces pwnfsnsnd me, or whatever that means, it won't change the fact that your lies are not my problem. And if you really believe what you're saying, that's something you'll have to deal with in the end, not me.

Have fun with your misinformation.. anyone reading who does have an objective mind can tell the difference, no matter how red faced and insistent you get.

-Mike

 

Other 9/11 interest groups are out there, but they often don't get much attention. They are interested in pragmatic issues such as the effect of illegal immigration on security. Those issues don't capture the fantasy of the general public as much as the more flamboyant truther claims such as WMD planted in the Twin Towers.

http://www.911fsa.org/

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why do you think i will try nd do that are you thinking that there is a conspiracy against you? and your thoughts? wow you realy are paranoid arnt you! so ill ask again! is there any recordings of those convesations that are available to the genrale public? i would realy like to hear them!
and im curious what does rat have to do whith my question?

 

ahh! oden i know i sad id talk again today but it turnd out to be looonger than i thought it would and i dont realy want to talk about rat but i could disscuse the ideas that he brings up! tomorrow might be another long one for me but i will try and post early, see you then
peace! its what i want!!!!

 

flmkpr, do you appreciate the recordings you seek have not been released.
There are transcripts though.
I did not know if you were asking for something you knew could not be produced.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

 

No, I am not too mad keen on talking about him either

C u another time.

 

Sorry, you are right. Fair question, but the tapes are not public. Odon has a transcript for you though.