Official Bible Interpretation Thread

Specifically for the dream of separation and death, John 11;11, "Thus he spoke, and then he said to them," Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awake him out of sleep."

 

My model of the world? Yeah right.

If that is what you are talking about, then it would seem you already did that.

Yes, it doesn't and yes it should.

Yes and it has nothing to do with what I said.

My Light comes from Jehovah.

Although I am guided by Holy Spirit, I never claimed to be inspired.

I just let the words be what they are, I just went with what Jesus said and did not change the wording to fit what I believe, like you did.

Talk about nonsense, most people tend to believe that true and false are opposites.

You do realize that truth and faithfulness are two different words.

Only you would see a major spiritual rift between worshiping in spirit and truth and worshiping with spirit and truth.

 

Of course you completely ignore that Jesus explained what he meant by sleep when he said to his disciples “Laz′a·rus has died".

 

Not nice.

To begin with, your anwser might not have been the only one possible, narcissist.

Secondly, I do believe you just winked at me and alluded to my 'coming out' as if I were secretly homosexual. What's that about, asshole?

 

I ignored nothing. If Lazurus was dead, which he was, why didn't he just say he was going to bring lazurus back to life in the first place, instead of saying he was going to awaken him from sleep?

 

What wording did I change?

I do. From the definition for truth, #6 loyalty; faithfulness to a person or a cause

It is not a rift in worship silly, it is a difference of language and meaning.

 

I don't think he meant to insult you or vice versa. I think your pun about coming out is funny.

 

Asking what is the best way is something that I personally find important, because how it should be interpreted is the root to understanding scripture. If one way is different from another, then there will be different understandings. While many will disagree with me, I believe that there is only one understanding to scripture so then there must be only one understanding of passages. I agree with you, though, that the heart is one of the most important tools for us to get to know God's message.

In this thread, all methods can be used to interpret scripture. The part of this thread is describing what is the best way to interpret scripture and what particular scripture means. For me, I believe that scripture can be used to interpret scripture and I agree with OWBs method of doing so. Other ways can be discussed and they are all welcomed to be discussed. I would just like to see it all being discussed as we all respect each other, but part of respect does not necessarily mean that we must agree, only that name calling and what nots are put aside for this thread.

Lynnbrown's input is definitely appreciated.

 

For sure. I didn't intend to suggest otherwise. I just thought that maybe it was time to do some scriptures. Don't stop discussing the methods on my account.

 

I'm direct. If it's called for, it's gotten.

 

Oh no, I know that wasn't what you were saying or suggesting. Just sayin'
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Fine by me

 

We may have a document where it is written, "babies come from love". Within that statement is a huge variety of application and interpretation.
Luke 9;49&50 John answered, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him "Do not forbid him; for he that is not against you is for you." There are many levels of understanding, many rooms in gods house.

 

Easy, Jesus was indicating that for God to resurrect someone was as easy as waking someone from sleep.

 

The word truth, instead of excepting it was the word truth you are say that it is really the word faithfulness.

If you look at the original language word used; aletheia al-ay'-thi-a from 227; truth:--true, X truly, truth, verity. We see that Jesus was not talking about "faithfulness" but truth.

Again you are straining out the gnat and gluping down the camel.

 

Yes, there are different levels of understanding of scripture but that does not mean that the the scripture can interpreted anyway you want. Nor does it mean that a scripture can be interpreted in a way that that conflicts with other scriptures. Even the layers of "interpretation" and understanding remain constant and in harmony with the rest of the Bible.

 

He was speaking of the state Lazarus was in but the disciples did not understand him. Now Jesus had spoken of his death, using the specific language Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him out of sleep. He wasn't making a claim of the ease of resurrection. It is written, then Jesus told them plainly. It is because he was using a metaphor for the dream of separation that I alluded to earlier.

 

No death is not a "metaphor for the dream of separation", Lazarus was dead and dead is dead and not a metaphor for anything.

 

Truth as in true blue. I did not change the word truth. I am using it in a manner that is consistent with the form of the sentence in which it occurs, in spirit and truth. Moving along now.

 

Dead is not the metaphor waterbrother, he has fallen asleep is the metaphor for death. God is not a god of the dead but of the living. I am sorry that these concepts are so difficult for you. They would not be if you were not so intent against me. I think it is inhibiting your capacity for discernment.

 

You can move along if you wish but the fact that you ignore what Jesus was really saying, can not be so easily ignored.