Obama, the agent of transformation in an age of revolution

OBAMA '08

He's the best REAL choice we've had in a long, long time.

It's a sad state of affairs that IGNORANT PEOPLE and Right-Wing assholes have actually gotten a solid grip on this place.

Although there are still some true folks who support the cause of peace, love, justice and equality, this COMMERCIALIZED CONSUMER CAPITALIST PIG society have created a generation of young, lazy kids who play their X-Box and talk on their iPhone while the government continues to FIST THEM and their families right in the ass with puritanical force.

 

That is the beauty of change...no matter how solid things may appear, invariably every thing succumbs to change.

I don't waste my energy getting all bent out of shape thinking about all the negative things out there, I am too busy growing my own positive ideas and relationships. What ever we feed with our attention grows you know?

What are you growing?

 

The fact that all of this politicians are using their churches as part of their campaigns turns me off.

 

Why does that turn you off Gardener?

It seems to me that quite a few people are involved in church communities, and they have the potential to do alot of good in their areas of influence if they are well organized...

 

...if it's that red mebbe you should quit playin' with it?

 

I don't discount that. But when politician's use religion for their own goals, it enables governments and the unscrupulous to manipulate the same organizations and deform the original role and motivations of those religions for other purposes, especially when money plays a role.

 

Are you sure you are an anarchist? These lazy kids are creating the proper atmosphere for chaos. You may be right about Obama. His terrorist friend in Chicago was of some use until he got nabbed. But Obama is part of the Chicago political machine, and they are very well organized. I think assholes of any wing are bad news. Ignorant people aren't. They will believe any bullshit. Are you a street person? You don't seem to be a hippie or an anarchist.

 

I agree, that's why I wish you would play with it.

I could use a little honey suckle red.

 

How do you see that in Obama though? He is all about transparency when it comes to money and outside influence. He believes people should be able to make informed decisions about our govt. officials so we can see who is receiving what from whom.






Hiram don't you just love nature, despite what it did to you? (Were your parents siblings??)

 

I agree with you here to a point... but really, how can one individual adolish the government? Even a large group of people? Furthermore, how would you go about doing this, and ACTUALLY SUCCEED instead of just getting tazed and thrown in jail?
I'm most likely going to vote for Obama... and hope.

 

hell YEAH. I can agree with that... more like though, since i will vote, I'll smoke, vote, then smoke again, lol.

 

how is it a good thing? The only church anyone is getting involved is the Christian church, and whether people like to admit it or not, the Christian church is NOT to be trusted why?
Anti gay, anti choice, etc. Christianity preaches its way is "the only way"... doesn't that seem a little crazy? That's how Republicans think.
I don't trust anyone that preaches hate.

 

If he feels he can sell himself by parading his religious afiliation, then he has placed a political value on said religion. Constitutionally no one has a right to ask any candidate about their religion. But he's playing to the crowd. That's why he can change churches as the political wind blows. What else is up negotiation in his personal life during his political career? And if he can sell out his own personal life, how do we expect him to protect those of his constiuency?

I feel the same way about Hillary and her part in the CNNs little religious debate. The only difference is we all realize the Clinton's really aren't what anyone would consider as devout anything. We expect them to lie and politic their way out every scrape their lifestyles have or will ever get them into. With the Clinton's we know they will save themselves first worry about the rest of us later.

I could respect McCain's non-attendance, except he begged off with a prior committment, not an out-right refusal based on constitutional law. So he hedged his bet, through what might be seen as a wishy washy cop out. McCain, he'll wait for his handlers to tell him what to do, time may pass and lives may be lost but what he does will probably always be politically correct.

 

I think any thing organised is suspect...but Obama is about helping people to organise themselves. To me that seems like the best way to go. The more everyone is involved with taking care of themselves the less dependent everyone is on a structure like religion or govt. He's got lots of experience with that from his work on the South side of Chicago.


It was my impression that from the start Obama has tried to keep religion and race separate from the campaign, but it got to be such a spectacle that he had to finaly address those subjects or risk being characterized by the opposition.

Hillary and John just scare me.

(I will most gratefully partake of a bowl and watch the events of todays voting )

GObama!!!

 

Obama is the wolf in sheep's clothing plain and simple. Look at his lifetime associations.
Obama is a radical and tries like hell to keep that fact hidden but his long time buddy has outed him for what he is. At least with Clinton you know how you will be fucked unlike Obama...
For the record I trust none of the candidates and refuse to vote for any of them...

 

Here's one link I found on the Daley machines influence on Obama. Do you have some specific scandal in mind? Does this article seem fair?


http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama_daley_chicago_elect/2007/10/11/40228.html

 

Still stoked!

I sure hope so. Like the last election, we'll be hanging out partying by the fire, running inside at various intervals to see who's winning. Maybe this time we won't be dissappointed and shocked by the absurdity of another repiglican president like more-of-the-same-mccain. I'm pretty sure the majority of the people in this country are seeking change (not that the majority necessarily determines who's president).

Yes they are. The system is rigged to make them that way, 'cause if they don't kiss the corporate ass, they don't even have a remote shot at it. That's just the nature of the plutocracy this country has become.

At least Obama seems to have a little integrity.

I can fully understand anyone's refusal to vote as a protest against a corrupt system, but at the same time I see not voting for Obama as effectively a vote for mccain.