Obama, the agent of transformation in an age of revolution

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  1. BLuECaT00

    BLuECaT00 Eileen Left

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    Everyone has the right to their own opinion...So here is mine.

    I have worked on the Obama campaign for a long time. All the way back to 2004. We started a website called Draft Obama begging him to run and waited up all night for him to get back from Hawaii and make the announcement.

    A lot of people were begging him to run that is why he plays that song "sign sealed delivered I'm yours"

    I am the PCO for Obama in my area and there is no doubt in my mind he will be president. He has gotten young people involved in politics like NO OTHER politician.

    I have met and talked to both Hillary and Obama. There is a reason Hillary was called the Frigidaire in college. She can be cold and rude. One time when I took my kids to the airport in Fayetteville Arkansas to meet Bill and Hillary I tried to hand Hillary a pen and paper for an autograph and she just looked at me like I had a disease and said I'm not aloud to touch that. Bill just looked at her like she was crazy and he took my pen and signed an autograph then talked with my boys. I went to the University of Arkansas and have talked to Bill Clinton more times than I can count. He can change his personality to adapt to whomever he is talking to. I have seen it. He was in the wheel plant where my husband worked and he talked all Christian like to the religious people then in another room he was talking hunting and yet in another level of the plant he was talking girls. It was pretty sad. He's a fake and so is she.

    Obama on the other hand was warm and friendly and even hugged me. I think that before anyone judges they should go hear him speak. It is amazing. He never looks at notes like the other politicians. It is all in his head. He writes his own speeches too. I think it is wonderful to have such a smart Harvard man running for president. He is extremely intelligent. Smart enough to know that the war was wrong and not afraid to speak out when all the other senators had their tails between their legs afraid to challenge the Bush regime. I have a son in this war. He is a medic and what he is seeing is HORRIBLE. I want to vote for someone I trust to end the war so my baby can come home. He has had 2 friends commit suicide and his CO took an over dose all in a 2 week span. Everyone seems to be forgetting the hell these young people are enduring.

    Senator Obama is by far the best candidate running for President. His integrity, principled judgment, and inspirational leadership starkly contrasts with Clinton's willingness to assert and spread falsehoods, unprincipled vote for the Iraq War, and wretched failure in her attempt to reform health care in 1993. We are all paying for her lack of courage to stand against the war and have been waiting 15 years for health care reform that she and her husband did not bring to us after 8 years in the White House and her 7 years in the Senate. Has all her years of experience accomplished anything positive that you can remember?
    Clinton supporters, feel free to cite anything except stuff principally due to Bill.

    Senator Obama co-authored and passed landmark ethics bills in Illinois and Washington, curtailing the influence of lobbyists and special interests. These are the same lobbyists and special interests whose money Clinton accepts and to whom she is beholden. Senator Obama does not accept money from them, so he is only beholden to the American people. Hillary made it a point to liquidate all her stocks before the ethics bill passed. She thought that would keep people from seeing what stock she owned but it back fired and the list was published anyway. She had a huge amount of stock in Raytheon <--- the makers to bunker bombs and other horrid weapons. She was profiting from the war and now she talks like she will end it! What a two faced liar.


    Obama's support for net neutrality, and this groundbreaking promise:
    I’ll put government data online in universally accessible formats. I’ll let citizens track federal grants, contracts, earmarks, and lobbyist contacts. I’ll let you participate in government forums, ask questions in real time, offer suggestions that will be reviewed before decisions are made, and let you comment on legislation before it is signed. And to ensure that every government agency is meeting 21st century standards, I’ll appoint the nation’s first Chief Technology Officer.

    He is trying. I see no other presidential candidate trying or even mentioning how very important it is to throttle back special interest groups and lobbying, especially the auto/oil cartel!

    Any individual can donate to Obama's campaign. And if you have big companies, big law firms - whatever, that's a lot of people working for them. Now those people, on an individual basis, can chose to donate to Obama's campaign. BUT he hasn't done any deal with a collective Corporation or lobbyist group where he makes any promises to them, or has any expectations due to them. Anyone who gives to Obama has the expectation that he will put the interests of the American people first. I don't see how individual choices to contribute compromise that at all. This argument is a stretch, but if it's all ya got well I suppose you've got to try and make something out of it.

    Barack Obama’s campaign is unique in modern American history in that it is much more than a political campaign for high office. He is building a viable mass movement of folks, like myself, who are mobilized, energized, and actively working to reinvigorate the Democratic party so that it once again represents the public interest. He/we have already demonstrated what this means: (1) millions of dollars can be raised to go toe-to-toe with the corporate donations received by the Clinton machine, and (2) voters can be turned out in huge numbers, sufficient to win where it counts, at the ballot box. This is the true meaning of grassroots democracy, and it represents real political strength. Obama, if elected by this mass uprising of a newly energized electorate, will have a true mandate to change the system. For real. A Congress that doesn’t go along will find itself replaced by a new generation of Obama Democrats, because our movement will have proven that it can formidably win elections against corporate-sponsored candidates.

    It is really sad that people are saying he has a cult following instead of seeing how he has gotten young people and people from all walks to life to take an interest in their government. NO ONE ELSE has done that. Not since Kennedy. Give him some credit!

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  2. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    Too socialist for my tastes, though the man can give a hell of a speech. At least we wouldn't have another Baby Boomer president, and Billary or McCain would be far worse.
     
  3. Mellow Yellow

    Mellow Yellow Electrical Banana

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    Exactly, it's more than just the man at this point, it's the movement he's building that's so inspiring, FINALLY a glimmer of hope for this country!

    The cult's growing. I agree it's a sad state of affairs when grass roots democracy is labeled a cult, but I guess that's what it's come to, since everyone's come to expect the "business as usual" of corruption, lies, and social disparity.

    I dunno if it's Obama, or the fact that bush is so horrible, but I haven't been this enthusiastic about an election in the 26 years I've been eligeable to vote.

    And BLuECaT00, thank you for your EXCELLENT post, I am STOKED!
     
  4. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    I agree with your statements about Obama, except this one ^.

    He has MANY speech writers currently including JFK's speech writer, the man who wrote "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

    And the fact that that man would agree to write speeches for Obama, means he sees some of that Kennedy spark, charisma, leadership in Obama. He is one of the greatest speech writers in history, and supposedly a political genius.

    His name is [size=-1]Ted Sorensen, and you can be sure he's written some of the best speeches of the campaign. He's also teaching Obama's young speech writers how to do it right... :)
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  5. BLuECaT00

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    Wow Skip you are right. I know he wrote the famous 2004 DNC speech so I assumed he wrote the others. He has Jon Favreau on his team now too! That is wonderful!
    Well that is even more impressive. I thought the reason he never looks down at notes was because he wrote what he is saying. He is remembering it all! Amazing.

    I read once where MLK's speech writers told him not to use the I had a dream speech and they wrote a different one. He took the new speech but the next day just before he went up to the podium he folded the new speech and handed it back to the writers. They thought he had memorized it and didn't need notes but he went on to give HIS I had a Dream speech anyway and made history.

    I think it is really interesting that the soldier vote is going to Obama and Ron Paul the most outspoken anti war candidates not the creepshow guy McCain.
     
  6. BLuECaT00

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    Thanks Mellow Yellow! Glad we are on the same team. ¡Sí se puede!

    It really irritates me when people use "business as usual" of corruption, lies, and social disparity" as an excuse to sit around and bitch and do nothing.
    I always ask them so whats the alternative curl up in a fetal position and cry?
    I think our government is extremely corrupt and it will never change if everyone takes the attitude it can't be changed. That is just giving up and I see it as a sign of weakness.

    I don't care if people don't want to be involved in politics thats their right but in my opinion they lose the right to bitch if they don't involve in the process.

    GO! OBAMA!
     
  7. evil i 13

    evil i 13 Senior Member

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    Obamas so money. I really love that guy. I think JFK would be proud of this. I see him as being our best president. I think he's smiling down from wherever he is at Obamas success. IMO the Clinton's need to pack it up and head to hollywood with the other actors and actresses. I can only hope and pray "they" don't end his presidency the way JFK's was.
     
  8. Bradley1107

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    if "they" do, its time for a revolution
     
  9. stalk

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    don't get your hopes up.
    he's just another puppet.

    but hey
    we like puppet shows.
     
  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Aint that a fact.

    Bread and circuses.
     
  11. stalk

    stalk Banned

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    I can hear metallica...

    SAD BUT TRUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
  12. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    I really don't get it. Reading this thread is like being in the twilight zone. Because not only is Ron Paul still in the race, he's doing fairly well in some states, more people are discovering him daily and HE seems to be the one folks are really fired up about. And an awful lot of things can change between now and elections. I know that the Ron Paul supporters are working even harder now than before to get the truth out, and there is a march on Washington being planned by Paul people. The Military is supporting him too.
    http://infowars.net/articles/february2008/150208RPaul.htm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/160208CNN.htm

    http://www.connietalk.com/ron_paul_takes_nevada_021708.html

    I spent a good deal of time studying ALL the different candidates, so as to be fair. Reading up on them and especially watching videos of them. Obama struck me as being a typical democrat (sort-a squishy around the edges) who has the extra added advantage of being particularly astounded with the fact that he is a BLACK guy running for prez... Don't get me wrong, I was born and raised to be a democrat, and I'm TOTALLY not racist. I was sort of horrified to find that the only candidate I could agree with was a Repub...

    But you all act as if he didn't exist, just like the mainstream media has tried to do. Maybe I'm just too idealistic and stubborn, like thousands of other folks apparently are who are working tirelessly to get his message out, but I just can't see voting for the lesser of evils when there is someone who seems to actually be NOT evil. What I'm seeing is that Ron has done more positive stuff for this country since he started running than all the other candidates have ALL PUT TOGETHER. This country is screwed if we just keep on supporting folks who, even tho they ALL say they are for "change", are all still playing different versions of the SAME game, out of the same box. I'd rather vote for getting outside the box, and on a different track altogether.

    Yea, we've had a lot of shitty presidents for a really long time. So long that many of us have NEVER felt that there was someone in office who actually REPRESENTED us. Or that we could ACTUALLY TRUST. I have spent my whole life studying folks, their body language, their personalities, the way they dress and talk, the phrases they use.... It's paid off noticeably over the years and I reckon I'm pretty perceptive, because I'm rarely wrong about peoples intentions. Simply put, I don't see ANYONE of the "mainstream" candidates that I would trust with MY life. But if I was pregnant, I'd want Ron Paul to deliver the baby. Now THAT'S trust! He seems like somebody I could sit down and rap with. But none of the others even comes close. Whole different ballpark. OK enough of that, I just don't get why nobody is talking about him here any more? Odd. It's as if the Martians have gotten to you guys too.... *Don't drink the water.... ;)
     
  13. Bradley1107

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    Ron Paul has no chance. And I would never vote for him, either.

    And by the way, just because a candidate plays along with the games that are in place, does not mean they are a puppet or just like everyone else. The sad fact is that there are certain things you HAVE to do in this country otherwise you just wont be elected...Just the way it is.

    We should be talking more about campaign finance reform. There are ways to fix things..
     
  14. BLuECaT00

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    For me I have to pick the person that stands the greatest chance of beating McCain. I want the war to end Obama will end it. Ron Paul is a good person but he does not have enough votes to beat McCain. They laugh at him. I am like you he is the only republican I can say I really like. I just have to go with Obama because he stands the greatest chance of beating McCain and that is what we have to do at all cost.
     
  15. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    THAT is the trouble. Folks won't vote for him because he has no chance, but he has no chance because folks won't vote for him... I don't play that game. It's foolishness.

    I've NEVER voted for anyone before. So why not vote for Ron?
    I have NO intention of voting for someone I don't believe in. Therefore how will it hurt OR help any of the mainstream candidates if I DON'T vote for one of them instead? I'm not two faced. I don't go against my principals, or turn my back on a friend. This whole thing is pretty ignorant actually, and is very telling as to why this country is in such bad shape. That's OK. Let one of those other guys win. Time will tell what happens next. I don't recognize BUSH as my representative. So I don't have to recognize anyone else I don't believe in either. I CAN give someone the benefit of doubt, but NOT my vote. Maybe we'll see a few of you at the march on Washington? Unless you all feel that is destined to failure too? Oh come on now... Guess things are just hunky dorey now then, right?
     
  16. Bradley1107

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    earthmother I dont think anyone is saying you shouldn't vote for your candidate. Please do. But Im telling you now, he won't win. Even if everyone who was thinking about voting for him did, he wouldnt win. I hope he does take some votes from McCain though.

    and like Bluecat said, the war is a huge issue, and we want to get it over with ASAP. For this, we need a democrat. As much as you want to say about the establishment, and they are all puppets, etc...all well and good but at the end of the day there are still major differences between the parties, and in my mind those differences are worth voting for, no question.
     
  17. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    obama gives hope to the idiotic masses

    that being said, they have been starved for hope since 1963

    his election will change very little if nothing

    [the best president is nobody]
     
  18. Bradley1107

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    I cant believe this...you all have forgotten what this country was like PRE Bush. Things have changed A LOT since then, let me tell you, and not for the better. But now, you believe that nothing can change, and were destined to be like we've been with Bush forever?? What kind of idiocy is this?!
     
  19. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    the single thing bush has changed is he expanded the power of the executive branch

    will obama diminish it?

    i have heard edwards say that he would

    i have heard clinton say that she would use [abuse] the new power

    i have heard nothing from obama

    [power corrupts]
     
  20. Hiram Joseph Yates

    Hiram Joseph Yates Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Sorry to have to write this Skip, but you are an apologist for bullshit artists. If I had been around when Kennedy was president I would have had a similar opinion. The bullshit purveyors deluxe, the American press, made Camelot. The one thing Kennedy had going for him was he came a lot. I admire anyone who fucked Marilyn Monroe or fucked as many women as he did. He just spun his bullshit with a New England twang. The other Kennedys are many weak American's gruppenfuhrers, trafficking on JFK's erstwhile fame and are advocates of greater governmental involvement in people's lives. They know how to use government to their ends. Abolish government. Here you are dead on right.
     

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