nomadic tribe

Sorry to interrupt this lovefest - but a little moderator word of warning to this thread before it begets recriminations upon recriminations and gets locked down so no one can post on it.You've all pretty much had your say - now let's try to be nice

Life goes on and to stay in the past does not help any one - we all got the flavor of the trip - let it lay - both sides

Take a deep breath and start your life enew each day and make it better in every Way - helps us all ; spreading bad feelings - hurts us all.

 

Well old wolf is right and is actually older then me wow noice to meet another old fart out here. I just have to wonder after all this i hear of course there must be some truth in all this,But at the same time i just think like the business dude i have been on the road all these years and that is I would think Drew you could make all the hemp to sell himself and not have any worries with others.
this has just showed me why i would fear traveling with more then one person in the same space. There is just going to be anger and disagreements when to many people are all trying to have there way. I like the idea of a mobile commune better where just people all caravan together yet have there own space and lives. Communes have sometimes gone real bad like charles manson and his family was just a commune and so was jim jones and his followers. People have to depend on themselves first and then lean at times on others they trust. One thing i think could of caused all this if what you say is true and that is there is alot of stress and responcibilty when you are taking 8 people with you and you have to consider them all first before yourself. I know what it is like to just have one more body with me and wow it can be tough at times. I just think if anyone had a problem with drew then they should of spoke up and if that did not work out then take your stuff and leave then there would be no bad feelings and you could be teaching him a lesson to listen better. Drew i am in roswell for probally 3 days before i head to carlsbad then midland/odessa i will be there a week because i have enough shops in that area. I still look forward to meeting and hanging out and if you can really talk and open up with me maybe we can figure out a way your dream can work better for you and the people there.
call me i got your missed call on my cell i was asleep i had a long day with shops so i passed out with me doggies.
JEFF

 

wow. i too agree with wolf. i am no longer on the bus, but would like to use this thread as a way to keep in touch, and know what is happening along the way. thanks for your insight brandi. i miss, and can't wait to see you. when will you be coming this way?

what a good idea! drew, whay don't you try to do things that way instead. remember when we were using the shower cutrtain rings, and separating everything out? maybe you should try things that way for a bit.

i did speak up, for everyone, when i left, because i knew i wasn't getting anywhere, and people tried to speak up, well, things didn't go over so well
then either. drew we all love you, and wish you the best. when are you coming this way?

 

Hello everyone, to those who don't know me I am blinkin(drews) wife, brandi nice to see your on the forums now. Tell everyone I say hello. Kevin I understand your greivances with drew but you need to let go of some of the bitterness you hold towards him. I like that this is a place for people to speak up but somethings are said to late. I haven't been on the bus for the past month so I only know from hearsay how things were, (but Im in contact with most people) I do know how things were when I was on the bus and people were not openly expressing how they felt, which leads to harboring anger and resentment. I only hope that all new people on the bus will learn from this and openly express how they feel about how things are being dealt with. It is a community(yes drew can get a LEADER complex) but its easy for drew to decide how things will be done when only one or 2 people seem to opose it and nobody else speaks up. We talked about it before I left the bus about having regular "bus meetings" where everyone can express concerns. I know how drew is probably better than anyone and he will back down if the majority expresses there opposition to him. PEACE AND LOVE LINZ

 

Ive been reading all these posts and it seems that everyone is pretty much in agreement. Actually that may be one of large misconceptions about the bus on this thread. Everyone was always in agreement, had no anger, aggressiveness and little frustration with one another. With the exception of the driver. To be honest i was never interested in being part of a commune or 'family' I was stuck in my life and I got on the bus because I saw it as a tool to escape that. For me it was merely transportation and I happened to make a few friends along the way, so I never even for a minute debated drew's rights as owner and driver of the bus. It is his, end of story, what he says goes. However I do have an issue with the fact that it is not stated up front. All you have to do to see how people are conned into thinking its something different is go to the original web site www.geocities.com/gypsybustribe/ to see the difference between what is said on there and how things actually operated. As far as the letters I sent out to people yes I used drews log on 1. because I did not have one 2. because I was quite clear as to my identity and 3. I hadn't even realized until I sent the first couple out because it automatically logged on. I sent those not to try and destroy any chance the bus had but to give people a heads up. I always said what you choose is up to you I am merely letting you know that it may not be what you're expecting, Ive seen enough people get scammed and didn't want it to happen to any of the kind folk on this site. I apologize. Why didnt I always meet my quota of hemp? 1. Not only did I pay drew 300 up front for my portion of gas but 2. I almost always bought my own groceries 3. I spent alot of time busking for money 4. Im not about to make jewellery to pay myself back for his debt. As far as the theft goes, I still feel justified in taking his electronics. I did speak to drew, I told him how I felt and he turned around and wanted to kick me off so that he wouldn't have to pay back his debt. He also tried to transfer his personal debt over to the community. It was bull shit plain and simple I didn't like it so I did leave just like roadgypsy suggested. The only reason I stayed on the bus for so long was because I was holding on to some lingering hope that he would pay me back. I returned his stuff is because the situation was so tense that it was upsetting people who were on the bus like mike and brandi that I did care about, so for their sake I chose to return his things and remove myself from the situation. Roadgypsy, all power to you, and best of luck all I can say is wait and see. Kevin, i hope everything is going well Im sure its probably going better, swing by knoxville if you get the chance. Brandi, I'm so sorry things turned out the way they did but things have to get worse before they can get better. Eventually he will lose everyone and then maybe he can begin to learn. I dont care enough about drew to let him bother me, but i do care about the people that he's hurt including his friends and family and despite what he says Ive watched him intentionally hurt them time and time again. And he always plays up on the same excuse; "Im not going to let anyone else stop me from being free, Im free Im free blah blah blah" dude, suck it up and think of someone besides yourself for once, for god 's sake be a father. When your pregnant wife tells you repeatedly how much your lifestyle hurts her and you continue on the same path (Im sure everyone on the bus knows what Im talking about) then that is intentionally hurting them (have you painted over that message on your bunk yet drew? or do you still have it covered with the blanket?) Some people travel, others run. From themselves and their lives and the shit that they've done to the people they care about. Its unfortunate so many good people's energy has been wasted trying to help someone who refuses to help themselves. People can be whoever they want on the internet those who want to get on the bus should. It will definately be a learning experience, I 'd just recommend not paying any money up front.

 

Well i have to say you hit some points i have experienced when you said you where just running and not into the whole idea behind it then you came for the wrong reason. I have taken many runners with me through the years i spot them very fast when they are here and send them home most people are running from a life they created and think running from it will make it better well you can not run from yourself so you bring what you are running from with you.
Why you felt the need to give him 300.00 puzzles me because he does not mention any great amounts of money. You chose to give that to Drew you could of easily just given him a 100.00 and he would of been fine.
As for the hemp you knew what you had to do there so again you showed you just wanted a ride now drew should of ended it right there and sent you on your way but he kept you. As for the e-mails i got one of them and what you said was quote;
(Hey man, my name is Eclipse I am travelling on the Highway child right now. I am emailing you to let you know that I think it is in your best interest not to become involved with the bus. There have been mulitple issues that we have had to deal with The driver owes a few individuals money (including myself $300) and its just a bad vibe all around. Four of us on the bus are leaving tonight and he has already tried kicking other people off. His intentions as far as you are concerned are to do nothing more than travel with you long enough to find out your whole saler and try and cut you out. Just thought I should give you a heads up. The dude is not to be trusted.
Peace; Eclipse)

this i just cut and pasted from your letter now Drew is no fool if he wanted to buy what i do and do the business he could find them himself quite easily.
It takes no effort to kick people off the bus if it yours you just say goodbye.
When you stole the electronics even if he did owe you money you still showed the kind of person you can be. You know i believe Drew has his ISsues everyone does and when you try to be a captain of a ship that is not working right it can really bring you down and when you can not get away from people in your own space you can go a bit nutty that is why i have never let my live ins think this would be a commune. What i do is let them learn a business and mae there own money so when they do not like things they can go do there own thing. I have to say till i meet drew and hang out i can not say much about him all i can say is what i have heard other then his wife as been some vindictive some hypocritic. I think Maybe if people on the bus did not depress him and talked to him as a team with maturity and logic this may of been avoided i can not say that for sure. But when Drew and i first talked all he had was praise for all you folk and i was telling him how i have kind of become a hermit because i can not find people i want to be around much. Well it is sad that this whole post has just become a grudge match with some cutesy love and spirit mixed in to not make the blade so sharp. Well i have to say if i had that bus each time one got off i would replace them with a sheltie a cute lovable furry independant animal that loves people and life and has not time to piss and moan about life. I got 3 now hmmmm in that bus i could fit 10 of them.
well there again is my oppinions
JEFF

 

Great to follow the soap opera but where the heck is the bus now?

 

last i heard, which was last week, they were in texas somewhere.

 

tune in tomorrow for the next exciting installment of as the bus wheels go turning. Found out who having whos babies and who is not. and who is doing what to who all this and more tune in

JEFF

 

This whole thing is childish.....I told sprout right from the start I didn't like the way this sounded. It's easy to read between the lines, but most people would rather give in to all the happy words and smooth talk.

I'm beginning to think skip should do something about this section of his site, because this is the 3rd time I've seen something like this happen. When someone says "usually when you get in you pass me the money" that should SCREAM out at you that something isn't right. I don't guess there is any real way for skip to regulate it, but this BS happens WAY too often.

I remember you blinkin from this site before Skip fixed it up...you always seemed like a decent guy....maybe a bit of a womanizer though. I can't imagine what must be going through your head that would make you run away from the woman who's about to have your baby (if that's true). I don't know you or your reasons for doing it, and I don't mean to judge, but I don't think there are many excuses for that kind of selfishness.

I've probably run my mouth way too much now anyway, so I'm just gonna stay away from this thread from now on. I hope you people can resolve your issues (with yourselves and with each other) and i hope anyone interested in going into this, or any other communal type situation pays close attention to what's going on here. You shouldn't be discouraged, but you do need to pay attention and not be fooled by smooth talkers.


<3

 

I agree with moonshyne about knowing someone before you jump into things that is life. But i really look between the lines on everything it is really the only way a old gypsy like me can make it out here. I saw nothing wrong with what he offered and what he asked for. He did not say how much you had to bring if you had 1 or 50.00 people had the choice now if someone was weary they could offer this much to start and add more later if they felt it was a good thing.
As for work well if i did not work my dogs and i would starve and have to live without the comforts we need. A big ole diesel bus costs a great deal of money to run and each person there will add weight which means take more gas. they also will be using supplies so i am all for the work idea it did not sound hard. I think all this drama is just unhappy people venting. I do not think this post is bad i think t makes people see that they need to ask questions in life and make sure of things before they jump into anything. The one thing i have always found sad is how many people who have gone with me through the years wehere told every detail about me and life and yet when they came they acted like they never read or listened to a thing so i would end up just paying for there bus home after they just sat around and did nothing. That is why Drew as much as the passengers need to ask questions and be sure. All you who are just running from life it does not work. You have to have a life of your own before you can share your life with others if not you just suck other people's life out of them.
SO i hope no one regulates this post and just lets it go and see where it go's. This is a living growing learning experience showing people goods and bad in life and is almost like a book being written.

 

I still remember the pre-flight run down on one bus...
"keep your hands and feet in the vehicle..
and if you've got anything on you stick it where the sun don't shine."

Man did I love them.

 

hahahahahahahahaha

that's pretty perfect, gotta love it

 

Naw i haven't shut down a thread but once. Only when taking potshots gets outa hand. Looking at reality is not just cool & interesting - It's paramount.
Never did see any situation when there weren't 2 sides to what went down.
The only problem I have had with these discussions is when it becomes personal attack after personal attack.
There are lots of sites on the web, so I've been told, that eat up that kind of behavior - we are trying not to make this one of them - aye ? So, what we can learn from and grow -= yeah lets talk about it. Just putting down others - well cast out from yourself and when you've become perfect you'll probably find no one wants to listen to people telling us how bad others are and how great they are - I mean gees what office are you running for LOL
May we all Grow On !

 

hey old wolf


i know this post is about the bus but i just have to say you ever need a vacation please feel free to let me know you are one of the more sane and easy going people i have met. I figure old wolfs must be like old shelties because my dogs have always been more sane enitites in my life. Well i just wanted to let you know you just have a nice calmness back in the old days i talked to moderaters who would just fuel the anger and make me mad hope all the moderaters are like yourself.
jeff

 

Eclipse if you are on here again email me LINZ@hipplanet.com I've been trying to get in contact with you but everyone says they just wait until you contact them. I really want to keep in touch, hope things are going well with your travels and would love to get together if your coming back before going to Italy. I'm living with Katie and Jodie and I'm sure they would love to see you as well.(James also comes around as hes living in Kitchener now) Well I hope to hear from you. As for everyone else I'll try to get some of the new people on the bus to post their opinions of the bus(I talk to them every few days) to get the whole perspective instead of only hearing from people after they leave the bus. As for Drew and I and our children It's nice of everybody to be concerned but its really our business, and I am ok with him travelling right now, he plans on coming back for the birth and that is fine with me, so it should be fine with everyone else. PEACE AND LOVE LINZ

 

Just wanted to add for those who don't know It was I who left drew to come home, not drew taking off because I am pregnant again, and he offered to come back with me and I told him not to. Peace and love LINZ

 

wow...
where do I begin...actually I think Ill take road gypsies advice and leave most of this stuff to the reader to figure out forethemselves

kevin.I felt a huge bond with you, I spok to you as a brother, sorry If you dont like me dude...I gave you an opportunity , you took it Imglad youve grown the way you did,
I hope the best for you in everything you do.
we will meet up again ..hope youve cooled off

brandi..judas

The tears I had were because I was betrayed, I had just woken up not remembering half the stuff I did the last night and my family were leaving, stealing my property ..
I asked you why and you just said that I should know why
I twisted my belly since because I couldnt think what I had ever done to make you hate me the way you did.

I shouldnt have put that crap on you about giving you your life..you gave you your life, I just lit the path..I appologise for saying that.

You betrayed me...
I forgive you I will not let anger eat away at me...
This will be the last time I communicate to you...
I have painted over those things you wrote on the bus and I will forget you.....
Im so sorry that you didnt speak to me before thats all you had to do and you know that


eclipse..

dude have a fun trip
be carefull
and try to stay away from the dramatic

erin
we left on great terms..im glad we met and I am GLAD we went threw what we did together, I learned a lot fromn you you tought me to be humble...its not easy for me but Im still working on it


anyway, the bus has five people on it
robbie..piss and viniger hes like liquid fire hes up first thing in the morning the first one to pull the group together and the last youll here negative vibes from...except when hes rockin out

mike
hes and oddball prophetic type...dances sometimes just because he feels like dancing...like I said and odd ball but a beautifull one

steve
a dude from portsmouth england, and one of the best blues player I have ever heard,

angela
sweet girl, makes great hemp, smiles alot, has the mouth of a sailor though...funny funny girl

me..
well ...
decide for yourself
my worst traits
big ego, sometimes stuck in my own pride to learn more
I take things personally
have issues with trust...hmmmm?? where did those come from???

man I just want to follow the highway.....

lindsay...my beautifull wife!!!
do I ever love you..You rock,
Ill call you again tonight
much love

Drew

 

Well this is the last reply Im giving, i think this has grown old. Its quite draining dealing with individuals whom I've never met and trying to justify my situation to them. When I mentioned people running from their lives I wasn't refering to myself. I agree though, that is what Im doing, but thats simply because Ive never been content to stay in one place for too long as Im sure many people on here can relate with. Nothing about a commune was ever mentioned to me, I was told that this trip was for strictly business purposes, it was an attempt to try and make some profit which ended up dissolving. In response to why I gave 300, that was what was expected. As I said drew was suppose to make money off of touring people around. Others who didnt pay that didnt because they couldnt. And believe me, they got to hear about it fairly regularly. The original amount was 500 but no one had that kind of money. And it is true, I did show what kind of person I could be by taking drews electronics. I can be quite malicious, evil, hateful, vicious etc etc. You name it, I wont deny it. But, I will defend a person until the ends of the earth, I will be the most compassionate, honorable and virtous person they've ever met. I gain more self respect with an increased understanding of personal balance (and control over it) than some naive attempt at total positivity. Remembering of course that positive and negative differ from good and bad. As Polonius said "nothing is either good nor bad but thinking makes it so". It is rare that a situation gets pushed to the point where I feel a need to react. Im not too sure I understand whats so wrong with that though. Everyone has that edge. And for simple survival its important to have that, so long as it is not what guides you on your path and that you are able to move on and look at it logically. I also showed what kind of person I could be by returning his things to him. I showed what kind of person I could be by not breaking his jaw after he tried to hit me. In fact I think Im showing what kind of person I can be right now by paying off his debt. Im one of the most easy going people you'll meet. Anyone that has met me will tell you Im a quiet person, I dont yell, I dont get angry or upset and I dont act on emotion. But I am not a pacifist and Im not very apathetic and tend to have little patience for people and b.s. situations.

On a seperate little note, In my personal experience it is quite rare that age and intelligence or understanding go hand in hand. Of course the older crowd will want to argue that understanding comes from experience which can only be gained through time and age, the problem is that there is no guarantee the individual will learn anything form those experiences. Which has been quite clearly displayed time and time again. So never assume that your age gives justification to your opinions.

So with a solidarity that few will understand I say goodnight and goodbye.
-Eclipse

 

Eclipse,


Too bad you feel you must leave just because of some negative feedback about misunderstandinds concerning your behavior with the nomadic bus attempt.
It is obvious to those reading what has been posted, that there were extenuating circumstances; and any that stand in judgement, do so showing their own lack of wisdom, as it is obvious that we do not know everything that went down in that situation.
With some of the restaint you've shown in answering this thread, t'would appear that we be losing one who could aid rather than hinder in these sometimes frustrating attempts at communications regarding group activities relating to possible growth toward community.
Don't disagree with you that age does not always bring wisdom with it, even though the aged may gave more experiences from which to garner it - oft times we reel from crisis to crisis with little understanding or appreciation of the parts we play within the drama as creators of our roles.
May your journey find you in interesting places and may Wholeness come from your Doing. Blessing with you brother.