Nihilism Among Christians

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  1. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    then accidental meaningfulness is respectable ?
     
  2. storch

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    If there is life after death, then it should be thought of as life after life.
     
  3. thedope

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    Holiness envelopes all we see.

    We cannot escape the effects of our own thinking.
     
  4. thedope

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    There is no evidence that life has ended or will end. No evidence for death at all.
     
  5. storch

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    Life continues on. The interval between inhalation and exhalation doesn't denote the end or beginning of anything. And so it is with life and that which is called death . . . I guess. :)
     
  6. tikoo

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    my friend , Chris Christianson is the funny Christian .
    just so , the happy professor of botany be named Flower .

    last night in a dream i walked with the dead . in that
    land angry young men of randomness throw rocks and
    this old man can catch'm bare-handed with grace .

    intervals , there ,
    prove eternal .
     
  7. outthere2

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    Where would the zombies go?
    Do people really think like that?
     
  8. Rudenoodle

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    Ron Paul booths.


    Some.


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  9. outthere2

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    How does the picture show the idea that this life is nothing more than a meaningless march toward death in which you will finally reach some kind of reward?
     
  10. thedope

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    Suicide bomber?
     
  11. outthere2

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    I don't see suicide bombers as necessarily that shallow.

    Sure, the US corporate media must portray the "enemy" as savage animals worthy of death so we can feel good about ourselves.

    What if you family was bombed out and you woke up as a child to the burning carcasses of your loved ones?

    What if the only form of retribution available was a suicide vest?
     
  12. thedope

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    We are talking about personal conviction not public perception.

    I can't answer that question.

    I would say retribution is not worth it.
     
  13. outthere2

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    We're not talking about the value of a suicide mission but the rationality of a suicide mission.

    I don't see anything necessarily irrational with 'retribution' as a motive for a suicide bombing, especially if there is no other way to obtain justice.

    Of course a meaningless march toward death in which someone finally reaches some kind of reward is irrational but that could be just a strawman brought to us by corporate media to justify killing in their name.
     
  14. thedope

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    A rhetorical question then and not a question specifically to me.
    I don't see retribution as a way to obtain justice. Retribution is a way to mitigate anger. If justice is balance with nothing owed, then the only just verdict is not guilty.

    I don't agree with the observation that it could be a meaningless march toward death, if actions in this life supposedly affect the disposition of the next. It is a sentimental claim by rudenoodle, not a claim of corporate media nor a logical one.
     
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    You can look at a suicide-bomber as seeking justice, or you can see them as venting anger, but the truth is that they are fighting back in what they perceive to be the only way available to them.

    How is the rationale of a suicide-bomber any different from that of any soldier? How can one be perceived as not playing by the rules in a game which is based on insanity?
     
  16. thedope

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    So they are fighting with their own perceptions/projections.

    Rationalizing is arranging terms to coincide with or "justify", actions. Regardless whether you are a suicide bomber or a marine.
     
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    They may be fighting with their own perceptions/projections, but the alternative is to ignore their perceptions, and presumably accept the projections of others. In this case, they would pretend that nothing need be done.

    Would you say to them that they are between a projected rock and a hard place?
     
  18. thedope

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    There is the possibility of refining perception.

    I would say like calls unto like but to have a future that is different it is necessary to make a different choice in the present.
     
  19. storch

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    Yeah, but we all get caught up in the game of life, and our emotions lead the way more often than not. I agree that retaliation is virtually futile. But learning is a trial and error kind of thing whereby we are beaten/led into submission by our recurring failure to create the desired outcome through our ineffectual, emotional reasoning.

    I would like to continue this discussion, but I have to go to town to pick up supplies or I will wither. :)
     
  20. Rudenoodle

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    The picture is of an islamic bomber, who like many christians believe this life to be just a tiresome passion play and that greater rewards await in death.
     
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