Nice France Terror Attack July 2016

Killer happened to be a local man this time. In every other case, they weren't local.

 

In my opinion the western world needs to stfu with their far right immigration views and instead focus on the psychology behind radicalization. How much do we really know about it?

ISIS wants to lure jihadists TO Syria and Iraq, not away. Most terrorist attacks outside of this region are perpetrated by lone wolves who have lived in western nations for years. Why? We need to understand.

 

Some sort of cultural assimilation or education could be implemented. Not that it would have much hope.

 

The psychology behind radicalization is painfully simple. Humans are feeble minded creatures. Humans living in poverty, those engaged in crime, or those that in general feel disenfranchised by society are even more feeble minded. These people easily come under religious and demagogic influence.

Yet again, do not underestimate how dumb people are, especially in places where the education system isn't that great and religious law prevails.

As far as ISIS goes, the entire organization is switching its strategy from luring people to Syria and Iraq to, instead, urging people to stay in their home countries and wage jihad there. This is a direct response to the weakening of ISIS' position in Iraq and Syria. Killing civilians abroad is the only thing that keeps them relevant and provides them with legitimacy.

It's also incorrect to assume that most of these attacks are perpetrated by lone wolves. That may be the case in the U.S., where ISIS doesn't have much of a reach to do anything organized, but that's definitely not the case in Europe, Asia, or the Middle East, where highly organized and trained squads perform attacks such as those in Paris, Istanbul, and across the Arab and Asian world.
Why do lone wolf attacks happen though, you ask? Simple. A lot of these people, especially immigrants in Europe, do not integrate into European society. They find society oppressive and bound by "heathen" Western morals and not by Islamic law. The most feeble minded and desperate of these individuals read up a bunch of jihadi literature, get in contact with ISIS, and engage in terror. The act of terror itself gives their lives much more meaning than their current crime and waste ridden existence. This problem can be solved through better surveillance and intelligence gathering, especially from European governments who are horrible at intelligence work and can't learn to cooperate with each other.

You also have to understand that for every attack, a 100 other attacks are prevented. There is plenty of work being put into this. Sadly though, you can't catch 'em all.

 

Closing the borders for all kinds of muslim refugees is not a solution though. Tighter security is a necessity, but to let the majority of refugees pay for the possibility of keeping one terrorist out is not. But as been stated adequately: this time it was not a foreign refugee at all. So lets not get into that (again) here but in a more appropriate thread.

 

Closing the borders is an inevitability, with or without terrorism. You simply cannot have open borders with such a refugee issue, one way or the other.

I'm a big fan of the "send all the refugees to Arab countries" solution. They have plenty of open space, but you don't see Saudi Arabia or any other such rich ass Arab country take in any of their brethren, do you?

But sure, all in all, border control isn't the topic of discussion here, I agree. (YOU'RE THE ONE BRINGING IT UP THO LOL)

 

Well, if Saudi Arabia is not taking them in how can we send them there? (to be clear: you don't have to answer it here as we both agree on that it is slightly off topic. I'm just saying you are fan of something that merely sounds good in theory) And we agree on the open borders thing, thighter checks and security is needed, a total ban on muslim refugees of course not. But these refugees should of course be legal refugees, not illegal entering the country.

I did not bring the topic up, I reacted to previous posts mentioning it (and added to it that if we go on about it it should be done in a more fitting thread )

 

The people that blew up the London tube were all British born and educated.

 

Thanks for keeping this thread on topic.

 

Eighty-four people have died and the injured count is at 202 now. It was a horrible scene. I found a video taken in the street where survivors were checking the bodies to see if anyone was alive. You cannot imagine the grisly way that these people died. Just an unspeakable horror.

Starting around 10:45 p.m. Thursday, the attacker mowed down scores of victims in Nice with a rented 19-ton refrigerated truck before engaging in a gunfight with three police officers, who pursued him down a storied seaside promenade before finally killing him.

No organized group has claimed responsibility for the attack, although online accounts associated with the Islamic State and Al Qaeda have cheered it.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/attack-nice-bastille-day.html

 

Exactly

 

i still dont belive this was a terrorist attack.

 

Mr Muhammad wasn't driving around having a good time listening to some toons and smoking a blunt with a beer. He was driving around like he was attacking the marine barracks in Beirut.

 

1. the driver had no links or sympatheis towards radical islam or millant groups.
2. driver wasnt known to intellegance services
3. driver was know to local polices after demestic abuse clams,
4. no islamic millant group has clamied responsabilty.
those are facts. none of the facts piont towards terrorism or an act of terrorism. he was a nutter. it isnt the MO of jhadist groups eather they would have targeted paris. with no poltical or radical sympathes it isnt terrorism. if it was a white guy it would be described as a work of a crazy person. so i am not buying it

 

That's awesome
I'm totally saving this

 

The line between radical Islamist suicide terrorist and nutter is extremely thin.

 

I'm saying that this shouldn't necessarily be Europe's problem. Other places would have (and actively are) rejecting the refugees. The Arab world tends to preach a lot about Arab solidarity and whatnot, but none of the nations step up when the time comes, and that is wrong. Europe should not bear the blunt of Arab incompetence.

Speaking practically, in plain statistics, Arabs and Muslims are overtaking Europe. Europeans should wake up to seeing the backward religion of Islam for what it is and raise up to save their lands and culture before it's too late. This is a silent invasion.

 

1. We can't know for sure though.
2. So what? I am willing to bet there is a huge (and growing) number of dangerous, radicalized men unknown to intelligence services.
3. Eh. Violent men with criminal (or drug abuse) past are even more subject to radicalisation. So he was seen drinking alcohol, so that means he isn't an extreme Muslim. Well, so was Salah Abdeslam.
4. Yes, it has.

You don't know what's in someone's head, so you can't state the driver had no sympathies towards radical islam, and call it a fact.

 

Five people arrested !

A news agency linked to the group, Amaq Agency, said: "He did the attack in response to calls to target the citizens of the coalition that is fighting the Islamic State."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36813959