My (unfinished) thoughts on the Universe

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lunarverse, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    How do you know there's a finite amount of matter and energy?
     
  2. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Also, the two distinctive uses and understandings of the word "infinite" in regard to the universe have caused a whole lot of trouble in actually explaining things to people
     
  3. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Then there is contraction? So why not also infinite matter? And an infinity of positive space and negative space (black holes)? That's what I can't understand.
     
  4. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I'm still unsure though why some come across as being so aggressive towards an argument in the first place (no matter how flawed it may be). Why not just correct the person rather than insult them? I'm just curious
     
  5. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I can't though...I don't like humans...that's why I'm here
     
  6. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    because that's how the present model works, we don't actually know it, but we have to assume it until such a time as we find a mechanism that can either actually create, or destroy matter or energy.

    we can CONVERT matter into energy, and convert matter into different matter, and energy into different energy, and even energy into matter (super tricky\expensive)

    but actually breaking any of it, getting rid of it? or creating something from nothing.

    doesn't exist.

    that's how science works.

    not how math works, but it's how science works.
     
  7. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    But you need us. No peer-pressure.
     
  8. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    two different uses of the word infinite.

    that's where your problems start.
     
  9. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    On a side note...
    Happy 40th Anniversary of the Moon landing everybody. Mostly America I guess
    In 19 hours it'll be 40 years to the minute almost
     
  10. lode

    lode Banned

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    Heres how I like to explain it, for my own incoherent philosophical rambling.

    I think all religion is an attempt to anthropomorphize the fact that the universe is a miracle. By a miracle, I mean bigger and more mysterious than we can fathom.

    Theres no reason matter existing exploding from primordial fire, and evolving to complex elements which evolved into organic creatures which can discover it... the only reason that seems logical to us is because that's the way it is.

    It's not any more objectively logical than there being nothing. That honestly seems more logical to me. So in my view as an atheist, the universe is a miracle.

    I think religion tries to anthropomorphize that miracle.
     
  11. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Energy is matter, pal. Obviously you don't know everything yet.

    Also, the contention that there is infinite matter is not the same as the contention that matter is being created.

    I would be more skeptical of academic fads. Especially since Einstein is a poster boy for capitalism and its garbled repackaging of theories that stimulate the publishing industry and the intellectual plantations we choose to call colleges.
     
  12. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I know I do. I just really am not that fond of people.
     
  13. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    That's where your motherfucking problem starts. I'm not the virgin here.
     
  14. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    You don't understand what I am saying.

    there are 10^81 atoms in the present model.

    you can convert them to energy or vise versa (fermilab, cern, other)

    and PRESENT MODEL includes einstein.

    "infinite" to a physicist means everything there is (the universe)

    Infinite to a mathematician (and probably to you) means Everything


    Math allows values greater than 10^81, physics doesn't strictly care about certain values greater than 10^81 because it is the "greatest significant number"

    i.e. infinite.

    so, finite and infinite, are different if you're talking to a math person, and a physics person.

    in fact, something a math person calls finite could be infinite to a physicist.

    hence, you have no idea what the fuck I am saying.

    and you presume too much.
     
  15. lode

    lode Banned

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    I'm a virgin in the mother fucking department too, She seems nice though.
     
  16. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Yea, I like that version too. Makes sense. I love science but I'm usually pretty agnostic when it comes to most things. The universe usually being one of them
     
  17. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    You presume too much. As usual I see a bunch of garbled information in your posts and not enough independent thought.

    Your whole charade about different definitions of infinity is wholly inconsequential to my question in my mind.

    Now get off your high-horse before I call you out on it.
     
  18. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    you need to quit editing your posts to refute backward.

    The thing is Einsteins math was right, if it hadn't been, hiroshima and nagasaki, wouldn't have been turned into radioactive craters.

    who gives a fuck about his politics?

    if the math checks out, the math checks out.


    Henry ford hated jews, doesn't stop those school bus engines they make in brazil from being great pieces of work.

    You're arguing that there is a contradiction, there is a contradiction in the language, but not the actual function.

    When did you decide to become a troll?
     
  19. lode

    lode Banned

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    Well I do promise you this.

    Looking at scientific laws isn't going to provide any sort of desire for a sense of belonging. To me, it seems like you're looking for that when you try and combine the two. You're only going to gain that sense of belonging which you're probably interested in by these explorations of spirituality by getting close to the people which you say you mostly 'don't like'.

    Because is science there are no answers for 'what's the meaning of life.'

    Because there is no answer. Not an objective one that applies logically for everyone. If you don't give life a purpose it's pointless.

    Sounds easy when I say it like that. I probably have no idea what I'm talking about. :wink:
     
  20. Didymus Doppelgänger

    Didymus Doppelgänger Misfit Lover

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    Amen.
     
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