My (unfinished) thoughts on the Universe

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lunarverse, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Chaos theory says there is no True chaos, just deterministic chaos, just chaos that can be described, there is no true random, just pseudo-random.

    I'm familiar with it.

    it just says we don't have sensitive enough tools yet, but, when we do, we're going to find wonders we never imagined.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function

    that's as close as you're getting to chaos.
     
  2. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Yeah, that sounds like oh I can jump to the moon, I really can, even though I can't yet, and that is because my legs are not yet powerful enough but I'm sure one day they will be.

    Fuck off. This is scientific self-advertisement. Science should have nothing to do with predicting what wonders it will fucking discover in the future if any, and that's why the scientific community is full of charlatans on the payroll of Christian capitalists who distort its purpose and they keep coming up with re-labeled theories to prove the superiority of this state or that and augment the information industry.

    And that, young Einstein, is mention of how political economic science (as well as every single human endeavor) is.

    FACT IS, science cannot describe the extreme behavior of matter. Let me know when your goddam messiah comes down to Earth to save us all from darkness.
     
  3. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Are you familiar with Alan Turing?

    Edit: And, you do realize, we're NOWHERE near done? I mean, for fucks sakes, we just got the tools to do all the really cool shit less than a century ago.

    to say science will never be able to do these things, is insane. it's like saying that we'd never be capable of supersonic flight after the first round of failures with the x-1
     
  4. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    I'm familiar with none of them motherfuckers! I only read old philosophers and Karl Marx! Even Sartre smacks of putrid capitalism to me, I don't care how fucking Communist the bitch thought he was.
     
  5. Face Eater

    Face Eater Banned

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  6. Face Eater

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    Why do you hate him so much?

    Ah, you edited. I don't know what that communist shit was about either because he obviously wasn't communist.
     
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  8. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Truly sig-worthy! A gem! save as> god facebook profile.
     
  9. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Because I've always wanted to fuck his bitch!
     
  10. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Alan turing was a math man, cryptographer, saved the world.

    including the communist part of the world (even though I know you're just doing some kind of retarded joke with that)

    from nazi's

    look at his math like philosophy, and get back to me.
     
  11. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Science is concerned with systems, and language, the logically explainable, and the observable. It is its own mission statement. I didn't force it down the throats of scientists, I swear!

    By definition science cannot explain chaos. But of course it can always pretend that there is no such a thing as chaos because whatever seems chaotic to it in the present will be explained in the future.

    It's the ultimate syllogistic checkmate.
     
  12. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    What is chaotic?

    explain an actual chaotic system to me.
     
  13. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Chaotic systems are an oxymoron. :rolleyes: Chaos is what behaves unpredictably, outside systems, and cannot be explained discursively, linearly, or in dualistic Platonic conceptual terms. Example: Infinity.

    There!
     
  14. Face Eater

    Face Eater Banned

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    Simone De B?

    Is that all? I'm just curious. To be honest I've only ever read his fiction and I've read all kinds of work on his theories, but I've never read any of his essays (in any depth anyway). What beliefs of his do you disagree with, if any? I'm not going to argue with you. That is if you have time in between your epic discussion with young einstein.
     
  15. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    infinity isn't chaos, infinity is a line. infinity is the lack of a metric.

    chaos is the complete lack of systems?

    okay, what is one thing in this universe that is not part of a system, that is not in a system

    what is one thing that affects you that is chaotic?

    truly chaotic.
     
  16. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    It permeates all my experience. If you want one example: the pocketing of a billiard ball.

    It is explained geometrically on the chalk board. But once you actually move onto a pool table, you're dealing with an infinitude of shifting factors (I'm not talking about my subjective processes, but humidity, friction, etc.), rendering the aiming process an approximation. It isn't simply that these factors are unknown, but that they cannot be known in their actual entirety due to their infinity and shift.

    Another one would be motion, since we don't fucking know how the fuck we get from point A to point B. Zeno's Paradox of the Tortoise!

    When you delve into universal or sub-atomic phenomena it seems painfully obvious that there is a point in which matter/energy does not behave according to rules.

    Anomalies such as the black hole and energetic fading are but 2 examples.
     
  17. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    you're kidding me.

    pool?

    you choose pool.

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  18. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Trolling being the ultimate answer to all existential riddles, young Einstein!
     
  19. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    could have chosen human behaviour, could have chosen traffic, could have chosen any number of infinitely, beautifully complex SYSTEMS (that are orderly)

    and you chose pool though

    that was the most anti-climactic shit ever.
     
  20. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    We can talk about the chaos in sexual activity if you want.

    Edit: By the way, I'm not an advertiser for chaos. I am not turning chaos into a Platonic category such as the pure Aryan race, even if you want me to. Chaos is orderly.
     
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