My ignorant christain buddy

I still say you should direct him towards the right Internet resources to find out more about the subject. The stuff I recommended are great places to start. I would not completely drop the subject of psychedelics, since that's not cool either. If he's willing to hear you talk about it and isn't stubborn, that's a good thing.

My best friend used to be a Catholic, a neocon and very anti-drug. In fact, his dad is a former cop, and his mother is a former DEA agent. FOX News runs 24/7 at their house, and his parents still go to DEA reunions.

My friend's the complete opposite of that now. Telling him and pointing him towards the research I found online started to change things. As I said earlier, what really stood out was how mind-altering the drugs are, and yet how physically safe they are. And how they can open up spirituality and creativity. Change people's lives. I also loved the 60's psychedelic music influenced by the substances. Still do. That was all around the time I first registered on these forums. Sophomore year.

My friend doesn't spend as much time on his faith as I do, but he still considers himself Christian, and that's because it's his choice. It's definitely my choice, too. (And trust me, I've questioned my faith A LOT.) He's a very strong and open individual who values freedom and individual liberties. In fact, he's registered on these forums. But he's not on here often, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to talk about him, since this is very applicable to the thread.

Your buddy sounds like a sensitive individual from what you're describing, but that doesn't mean he couldn't handle it. Heck, I'm the type of guy people would view as sensitive. Don't judge him too much, because a lot of people have done that with me.

So there's some perspective for ya. Just direct your friend towards the right information, and then let him make the decision for himself. Getting him turned onto the truth about cannabis and psychedelics should have nothing to do with changing his faith at all. There are still Christian psychedelic users out there, even if they are few. (Ironic IMO.) Not trying to convert his faith should allow him to be more open towards trying these substances.

 

I think if buddy is insisting that his first trip is 4g and to do anything less would be to underdose, then yeah, he's ignorant. Personal beliefs aside, when mushie trips go bad, they go bad and someone inexperienced in psychedelics should not be jumping to a 4g dose for the first time. (Assuming the shrooms are decent)

Like the others said, point him to some good information.

 

First dose I'd go 3 grams max. When I first took them back in October, it wasn't a full-blown trip, but it was perfect for a first-timer to experience a really good high with psychedelic effects.

I still recommend he doesn't take any at all until you point him to the research.

 

I've had a full blown trip on 2.5g so i'd recommend 2g as a starting dose actually. Keep in mind this person has not even ever smoked pot . . . hell has he even gotten drunk?

 

WHILE I have never had a proper dose of proper shrooms, knowing that an eigth is standard and that I didn't even feel a gram, I would respectfully disagree.

I think it's very important to have a breakthrough as soon as you can with a substance you haven't used before, especially if it's your first psychedelic.

Even risking underdosing can be very bad for people who do have a propensity to try to fight the experience-but even a reasonable, little dose can have intense minutes, I've had my most disturbing social mindfuck on acid on one hit, because it's a PSYCHEDELIC DRUG, a little goes a long way in the negative ways, but often not in the positive ones if you haven't used it and don't know what to look for and to enjoy.

From what I know of shrooms I think 3-4g sounds reasonable-if he's ready, and he really knows what he's in for, he should be fine, and if he's not ready, he would get into trouble on any active dose.

I don't think pot is part of the group of substances that require this breaking through, though shortly after starting with pot I think one should overdose and experience the spins and all tha jazz, like a familiarity training to prevent later freakouts and trouble. Anyway, maybe he should start with pot.

 

I disagree. My experiences speak otherwise, from my own imbibing and from watching others who I've baby-stepped into psychedelics. *shrugs*

I'm with Writer's dose. 2g is a nice place to start. (Assuming decent shrooms)

 

I disagree, too, because I remember when I did 5 hits of acid at once, thinking I could force myself into ego death. It was too intense, and it wasn't useful. It go to the point where I kept asking it to stop because I felt I knew too much. In fact, I think my brain aborted it, because the actual trip lasted like 3 hours, maybe 4 hours at the max. Then my brain felt totally pooped and depleted. The rest was more like a high. I couldn't remember parts of the trip either. Also my friends who took less hits said their actual trips lasted longer.

My second shroom trip was full-blown, but it was the right amount, and I handled it well. Every single moment seeped into me. Definitely remembered everything for a while.

So overdoing it is definitely something to avoid.

 

Just make sure you babysit him. People with a head full of religion could react badly when everything they know is called into question.... you don't want a situation like this (he was trying to save the world from the devil by tearing out his friends heart, eating some of it and then writing poetry on the walls with his blood):


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ps-training-partner-Taylor-Powells-heart.html

 

I think people who are educated about psychedelics will agree that is not something that happens on regular psilocybin mushrooms. Obviously something is amiss. Attributing such scenarios to psychedelics only hinders our cause. Sounds like those shrooms had PCP dropped on them.

And obviously you didn't read through the thread....

 

Piper and hecubus, do you not lend any credibility to the idea that too low a dose can cause problems, especially in an individual who seems prone to fight psychedelic feelings and try to conquer them, instead of ride with them?

Just wondering. I think lower doses are great, I think higher doses are great, and I think some people can start fine with either. But I also think some people who start with doses that they are able to gain an illusion of controling get into very nasty delusional trouble, both on and after psychedelics. I think a great example would be our member, freshdacre, whe has taken a lot of low dose LSD and thinks he can control it, doing things like driving and using it more like an upper, but then took a dose of shrooms that turned out to be more than he'd expected, and using what he'd learned on low doses of LSD, fought it and ended up with some really nasty shit, like spending months trying to impress the voices in his head before he got a handle on his brain again.

 

I took 4 gs my first time. Sometimes you just gotta go in balls deep.

 

My first time I ate a whole 1/4 (7g) throughout the day. I was at a festival though, and the spirit of the occasion took control.

 

Personally, I feel more connected with God and the existence of higher beings intrigues me while on psychedelics. I don't see his views being a problem (unless he's ashamed of them), the thing that I see going wrong is him not accepting the surreal trip and not accepting that it doesn't stop for hours and hours.

 

You mean to say that you let the lovin' take hold?

How was that? Obviously, nothing like eating a quarter at once, but, how much for the first dose, and was it overwhelming? Any problems?

 

It was life changing . I ate 3.5 g off the bat, and after I got used to the feeling I started munching on the other 3.5, and that was gone after 3-4 hours.

I was a little overwhelmed during the onset, when all my friends went to walk around the festival. I chose to stay at camp in till I go a better handle on the drug. Once alone, I started to feel gravity. Our campsite was on a hill, and the tent was at the bottom. It felt like the force of gravity was personified, and was trying to make me go to sleep. I didn't want to go to sleep, so I was forced to battle the villain gravity one on one. Felt like the bastards hands were all over me, pulling me towards the tent. When my friends got back I was laying on the ground, grasping the cot I had been laying on like it was saving my life. But when i heard their voices I snapped back, went on adventures all night, and had the time of my life.

 

Jesus was/is a mushroom the maztecs indians still believe the psilocybin mushroom is "the body of Christ" and is grown from the blood of Christ. And Christmas and Santa Clause originated from the Aminita Mascaria Mushroom.

Joe Rogan - Amanita Muscaria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LntLIFb8qw&feature=fvwrel
Flesh of the Gods Historical trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K6dG2Ds03s

 

Here is something that can happen: http://www.maps.org/books/pahnke/recollections_of_the_good_friday_experiment.pdf

In fact, given good set and setting (and good dosing), your friend and you may have profound spiritual experiences as did the subjects of the Good Friday Experiment.

Just realized every other page is missing from the MAPS document. Here is something from the Council on Spiritual Practices: http://csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/young-good_friday.html