My eyes playing tricks on me?

you are hateful human being--terrible.
i don't "need" a million dollars. i don't care to have the accolades from proving anything. i don't even advertise. as a matter of fact i have avoided this my whole life--but people keep coming--i don't charge for my psychic ability--i take payment for my time.

yeal--you don't belong on this forum. i can't speak for anyone but myself--but i am B-O-R-E-D of you. really--i think you'd be better recieved on the skeptic forum or something. you are wasting our time & energy and distracting us from more enlightened conversation. maybe if we ignore you, you'll go away?

 

And by the way, Yeal, all REAL psychics see all too clearly that James Randi has his head so far up his ass that he couldn't possibly understand the flaws in his thinking about psychic phenomena. And at the rate you're going, you will also never understand. Of course, we must never totally give up on any soul, no matter how blind...

 

dude, no matter what you believe yeal, your logic is refutable as hell. it really explains a lot of why you're in this position.

 

You know. I actually don't think it'd be possible to use psychic ability to WIN a million dollars just by the very nature of the act. Psychic aspects are not something that can be organized for the sole purpose of making money. Money is more a side effect of psychic ability.

If RANDI went out seeking discovery of a certain aspect of himself with psychic aid, he would certainly find it. But if he just sits there with a million dollars on his desk waiting for the psychic to tell him, it's not going to work.

 

EXACTLY, rygoody. The major mistake Randi makes is in assuming psychic ability should be a measurable physical property, like velocity and acceleration. Psychic ability is a SPIRITUAL manifestation, and therefore not predictable or measurable except insofar as one understands the aims of the spirit.

 

I have been getting those moving light objects around me for years and years now whenever i am relaxed in a dark environment, and i don't have to be tired to see them. If i become unrelaxed when i see them, they go away and i am unable to see them. I have also had times when i have woken from sleep and seen small children spirits standing near me. So i know these coloured objects are not our eyes playing tricks on us, or something happening to the chemistry of our eyes, it is simply a form of spirit surrounding us and they are not there to harm us, only comfort us.

 

Ok, enough with the hostility on my part, because it obviously doesn't work. I'm not blind, arrogant, and I tend to see things for what they really are. For the record, I believe in God, so I'm not a skeptic. I believe in a whole bunch of stuff. I meditate. I seek pure truth, and through all this, I learned to see through people, and through their ideas. I don't blatantly dismiss any valid idea. I actually went with the whole psychic thing for a while. Then I realized the truth...

I'll say one more thing about James Randi, then I'm done bringing him up. Maybe you don't want a million dollars, but don't you think that out of the billions of people on earth (lets say 1% of them are psychic) 1% of a billion is 10 million. There are 6 billion people on earth, so thats 60 million psychic people. Now to tell me that not one of them wants a million dollars is ridiculous.

MEDITATE! This made me wake up and see what a fool I was! I joked myself into thinking I was psychic. I thought I could read minds, do telekinesis, see auras, etc. I semi-subconsciously ignored all other possible factors for my "telekinesis". If the wind was blowing at the time, I would ignore the fact it was blowing and be so sure that I moved the object with my mind. Don't you see where I'm coming from? Open your mind! I know it's hard to accept!!! It really sucks breaking free from the psychic craze, but once you do, you see how crappy it is! Please read this post again with an open mind, since reading it with a hostile attitude towards me will spark a hostile attitude towards my post. Please read it again, and try to respond with a non-hostile reply.

 

Crappy?

lol Yeal, you still come off as arrogant.

 

i do meditate--actually it was through meditation that the psychic stuff became more well attuned.

 

You just don't get it, Yeal, and maybe you never can.

It's like this: Imagine that you're a blind person, raised by blind people in a blind community, and then you travel to another town (on foot, I guess, hopefully not driving in a car LOL), and you hear people talking about "seeing" things. You ask them to explain, and they tell you they have a sense that you don't have, called "vision." You ask what that's like, and they try to explain it, but how can they really explain something like that to a guy who has never experienced it?

So you think that maybe if you try really hard, you can learn to see. And you want it so bad that you even imagine and persuade yourself that you're sensing something different. Finally you give up in disgust, and you decide there is no such thing as vision, and these people are all just deceiving themselves the same way you did.

So you start telling the people in this new town that there is no such thing as vision, and you tell them to prove they have this sense. Maybe you think it would be easy to prove? Well I didn't completely make up this scenario--H G Wells wrote a story about 100 years or so ago called "The Country of the Blind." If you want to see how easy it is to prove vision to blind people, read this story.

We know we have psychic experiences, just like we know we can see. It is OBVIOUS to us. It is not imagined or make-believe. It's so obvious that it has practically kicked our butts sometimes. And you think you're going to persuade us that it isn't so? You might as well try to persuade us that there's no such thing as vision. Really Yeal, you can talk and argue all you want, but you're just not going to persuade us that our blatantly obvious experiences are merely imagination.

Here's my question to you: Why is it so important to you to make us see things your way? Why can't you just let us believe what we want to? Does that hurt you in some way?

 

Another note - you can't really seek it out, it must come to you. Not everyone has the ability - or ever will in this life time - to perceive or even understand this.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure about this, Bl4ck3n3D--I was born with it, and a couple members of my extended family seem to have it also--my mother seems to be a carrier, and yet I've had telepathic experiences with her, so it seems to be something she might have but has chosen not to develop. I started having these experiences as a young kid, HOWEVER as I chose to follow this path it became immensely more dramatic and significant. So I wonder...I think there probably ARE some who might never be able to develop it...and maybe some, or even lots of people who CAN. But the important thing to note is that this development took YEARS for me. And I think a major reason it worked for me is that I was steadfastly desiring it over a long period of time...and the psychic world seemed to play a game of cat and mouse with me until it finally kicked my ass so hard I couldn't ignore it. So I'm thinking...as the Bible says: "Keep asking, and you will receive, keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you." Yes, maybe some will never have it...but maybe some just need to persist and never give up, and it will finally be granted to them, as it was to me.

 

Look Yeal, just because you can't see something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist! Maybe you thought that meditating would make you psychic but it takes a lot more than that, it takes BELIEVING. You are not going to truely hear or see anything unless you clear from you mind any thoughts of wondering if its true or not. You are only going to see these things if you are completely clear in your mind

 

Good metaphor, but you CAN prove it. It's as easy as just PROVING IT. Whatever you gift is, demonstrate it. It's not complicated, like explaining sight to a blind man. I'm not blind, as I explained before. I'm not blind, ignorant, or arrogant.

I "gave up in disgust" because I SAW the real truth. I've learned to let go for the fantasy called "psychic".

Zengizmo, you seem to be pretty confident in your psychic ability. What does you gift include and what are it's boundries?

 

we have much in common! i too started "seeing" as a child which terrorised my athiest mother. the visions were something i "endured" for many many years as i tried to be 'normal.' then in my early 20's i got what i now call "my calling" but it was SCARY SCARY stuff--i ran to a church in fearful desperation thinking i'd be protected--that i could hide there--no such luck. it took YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of study and avid meditating...i completely surrendered my life to all things spiritual-made many sacrifices to do this and EVENTUALLY i got a handle on it all and was able to re-integrate into a quasi-normal life where its all balanced and now this thing i endured is a great gift i am so grateful for!

i think if my mom was more accepting and helped me learn about my gifts instead of trying to hide it my life could have turned out different--but now i can help others facing the same thing so i don't mind the path i took. my dad loved my gifts--he took me to the horse races every week and bet $1000 on anything i said looked shiny to me. as soon as i was old enough to understand what he was doing the horses stopped shining lol.

 

I think going through that kind of hell gives us some perspective on others' hardships and issues of the mind/emotions--and toughens us a bit--and it feels so good when it's over!

Your story reminds me of a woman I knew years ago. She was born in Cuba, and had very religious parents (Catholic), and she had a profound psychic gift. One time when she was five, she was introduced to a friend of her parents. The man leaned over and shook her little hand, and suddenly she started having visions of this man's life. He was a homosexual, mara-aum. LOL In her innocence she started talking about all the things she was seeing. The man got terribly embarrassed, and her parents thought she was possessed by a demon. They told her she mustn't talk about the things she saw like that. So for years she had to keep her visions to herself, and was afraid of her own ability. Finally as an adult, she started coming to terms with her upbringing, and ventured to express her psychic knowledge openly.

Your gifts are much greater than mine. My first indications of psychic ability came when I was eight, and I had another notable event when I was eleven--and then nothing much for several years, until I was 20, when I had a life-changing experience. Then a few sparse experiences for years while I did the church thing. Then more dramatic experiences, and then--in 1998, a series of events began that totally changed the way I live and think, took me through hell and heaven, and are still echoing in my life. It's only in the last couple of months that I've discovered I can do accurate psychic readings--well at least, I've done a couple very recently that were spot on. I'm still a bit tentative about doing the readings, but I was whining to my spirit guide before that I wanted to be a for-real psychic who could do readings, and she said I would be--and it looks like she's keeping her promise.

 

How would you suggest I prove it, then?

I understand that you discovered the real truth that YOU are not psychic. By what logic do you infer from this that NOBODY is psychic?

My boundaries seem to be expanding. In the past couple months I've done successful readings, which I had never done before. To be completely accurate, I wouldn't say I'm confident in my ability--I'm confident that certain things I experience are psychic. My ability itself is not particularly profound--yet I've done some things that are fairly striking. And it's also not something that I can necessarily perform at will--though often I can. Are you starting to see why I consider this complicated? I can't predict MYSELF what I can and can't do, so how could I prove it to someone else? Yet it's clear to me that certain of my experiences are psychic, and in the final analysis, for me that's the most important thing. Sometimes my abilities are helpful to others--and that's also important. Proving it to skeptics is--well, frankly, kind of boring, and I don't think it's even possible.

It would be hard to describe my abilities succinctly. I've experienced clairaudience, clairvoyance, telepathy, and telekinesis. I've had empathic experiences sometimes. I've had a few premonitions. That's about it, in a nutshell. What does that tell you? Not much, really. I would need to type out some anecdotes before you'd have a clear picture of what my abilities are like.

 

LOL Good one! i totally agree with you....i dont believe those little fuzzy dots you see are anything but particles floating in the air close to your eyes.

 

i was very self concious doing 'official' readings for a very long time...i used to get really nervous before every one--its a good thing-it keeps you humble & learning. the more you do them, the better you will get at them. i studdied everything metaphysical/divinitory that i could get my hands on, then stripped my life and self down to the bone and recreated a daily existance that lived and breathed spirit and service. i still avoided the term "psychic reading" for a long time because of the stigma of it. but overtime i learned that i couldn't escape my purpose....word of mouth spread without me doing a thing and next thing i knew it was my full time job. then eventually morphed into facilitating meditation classes etc...it was a great time.

i have since moved to the city and have to start all over again--i find the income of being a psychic full time to be feast & famine. so now i work a regular job in retail & do my readings on the side. i feel more balanced that way. also the psychic gig can get a little draining--people come when they are in pain or confused--rarely in celebration. day in-day out can get tough after a few years. my specialty is suicide--at on point 1/3 of my readings were related to a suicide--tons of people came to me who had lost a loved one to suicide--lots of guilt!!! you see everyone's emotional closet so to speak. in the beginning you are filled up by the cause--its great & you feel limitless. but over time it can get very taxing emotionally.

i find that these day i enjoy the balance of doing just a few a week.

but in the beginning as you are learning its great to do lots of them!
do you use any divinitory tools? my preffered is Tarot.

 

Your perspective is interesting--yeah, I don't know if I could do psychic readings full-time. It does seem like it would be draining, and I would probably need to be independently wealthy to afford that kind of "career." What I mainly want to do is write about psychic things--but I feel like I need more experiences to write about, and I need to learn more. Not that I don't have plenty of material already--I do, but I think there needs to be more to my story.

I've tried Tarot, but it makes me feel like there's an additional layer of interpretation, and for me the act of interpreting the cards gets in the way of my own psychic impressions. So--as I said, I've only had a couple of successful readings, and what I did was to just try to tune to the person, and ask myself questions about the person, and then make note of my feelings and mental visions in response to those questions. This sometimes gets involved in interpretation as well--with one guy I asked myself if he had a girlfriend, and I got flattened feeling as a response, which I interpreted as "no." Then I asked myself if he was going to have a girlfriend in the future, and suddenly I saw a bright light, like a bluish-white headlight in a dark fog, so I told him he was going to meet a girl who was very spiritually inclined, and she would help him develop his psychic abilities. He told me another psychic had told him the same thing.

But yeah, I'm still not too sure about my reading abilities. My spirits seem quite capricious--sometimes they give me whatever knowledge I ask for, while other times they just play cat-and-mouse with me. I guess they're trying to keep me humble, which is no easy job.