Muslims In England

They fire-bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors, they have crazy propaganda wings that incite violence, they have frequent shows of force in which they bring guns to public places, they have paramilitaries that have control of large geographical areas to such a degree that the government doesn't enforce laws or decisions upon them, churches are well-known for serving as covers for sexual and other abuse (and no, not just catholic churches), they indoctrinate young people (including in publically funded schools) with insane lies about sex and reproduction that result in many ruined lives - I can probably come up with a lot more if you'd like, but this is getting pretty depressing.

To de-radicalize your immigrants, though I generally believe in open borders, you do have to limit the flow enough that they never take the majority until they're several generations naturalized and secularized - but the UK's not at a point of no return, by any means, from what I know - in fact they're only getting to the point where they even start really noticing.

The only way to de-radicalize people is with time and education and raising their social/economic/political prospects. Fighting them only feeds into their bizarre victim/conqurer mentality - islam has spread under the sword at the hands of ignorant tribesman for more than a melennium, you're not about to be able to beat it back.

 

Like the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda? The IRA in Northern Ireland? The State of Nagaland in India? Even Anders Breivik styled himself a "Christian Crusader".

The only difference is the way these events get framed by a Western dominated media.

At the same time, you're ignoring widespread violence against Muslims (see Chechnya/Dagestan, Palestine, and the Rohingya in Myanmar, Golden Dawn in Greece)

If you're asking about my personal experience with Sharia law, I find it a minor inconvenience. Interpretations of Sharia law vary place by place, however, and where I live it is not particularly restrictive.

 

So Religion played no role in the Troubles or the Kikuyu rebellion?

 

No, you are racist because you don't like Muslim homicidal maniacs but ignore all the others.

 

I live in the land of sand and oil. One of the Gulf countries.

 

Hello Scratcho,

With all due respect what do you think is driving our politics these days but good ole Christian values; the same politics that invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and gave rise to Isis in this unending war against terror.

This 11 year war is just beginning and it will go on and on until each side is decimated ~ sigh~

Hotwater

 

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Greed and fear of lack of security? Not exclusively or primarily christian values.

 

The troubles in NI were mainly of a political nature. The Mau Mau thing was many years ago and was more about imperialism than religion.

But that's not really the issue here. What I said was that now, in the UK today, religion has virtually no influence on law making.

That wasn't always so. For instance, up until the 70's there were co called 'dry counties' in Wales where pubs couldn't open on sunday. But like a lot of that kind of thing, it's fallen away as the country has become more secular.

 

I was trying to avoid this topic but I've spent all afternoon discussing it with a friend of mine, a Muslim convert. I can't see that bringing Sharia law on to people who are not of Muslim faith will ever be considered, but for those who are of Muslim faith can already abide by it so I don't fully see the issue, there are Sharia courts in this country, but British law is abided primarily. I too agree that going to a public school is good to integrate and broaden understanding. It seems in this town in Wales Muslims are segregated amongst themselves by their race (e.g. Muslims from Pakistan/Turkey), as well as being segregated from the rest of society for the most. I think there must be a lot of feelings of alienation going on, the worry is with the youths that are being targeted who are too young to know what they are letting themselves in for.

 

So religion is thought programming and having a political platform informs decisions and reactions in the same way. There is no secular estate when you are devoted to an idea.

 

Since when was Islam a race?

 

You're obviously some sort of extremist, and in my opinion a danger to the social fabric of the civilised world.

To claim Muslims have been "victims" in the Caucuses is absolutely staggering. The Chechens started off by kidnapping and terrorising Christians (didn't do that to Muslims I might add!). Then they decided to slaughter and murder anyone who didn't acquiese to them in neighbouring Dagestan.

These scum were so insane, most of the local MUSLIMS were begging for Russia to intervene. Fortunately Russia did manage to stamp out the devils, altho many innocent people had been murdered by the Islamic extremist animals before then.

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Going back to the rest of it, whatever the main branches of Islam were early on, its clear they have been corrupted into a form of cult. A Nazism in the desert.
It doesn't just breach any concept of human rights or basic civilised living, it smashes them into smithereens.

Whether its the denial of basic freedom of expression, threats to kill, refusal to respect indigneous cultures, paedophilia against white children, oppression of women, bizarre summary executions, defending terror attacks on complete innocents, its clear that this cult of terror cannot be allowed to exist in the West.

I've actually spent a lot of time defending Muslims against invasion by the US and NATO. Unfortunately, there are Muslims just as bad as Bush and Blair trying to destroy the West. *Maybe* even more..!

Don't like Western culture? Don't visit, and certainly don't live here! Otherwise you might find yourself on a trip to sunny Cuba..
The American part!

 

Your reply re Scratcho's comments The Muslims to which I referred were demonstrating in England. And in addition, some were walking around warning people NOT to drink beer in "their" area. OF ENGLAND.

So if I get some white paramilitaries to terrorise Muslims out of their area, we can have a Koran burning bonfire if a local vote says yes? And you'll say its all ok?

How do you justify all this below? Because Asians are the majority in these places, so "they're allowed to decide what happens"? Or because "promiscuous white children ask for it"? Or maybe because "ahhh well it isn't a crime in Sharia law"? Or maybe "who gives a shit, they're only white"?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736183/This-insult-14-000-victims-one-five-men-jailed-sex-abuse-free-police-told-hundreds-gang-members.html

Modern Islam doesn't meet the criteria of faith. It is an extremists cult, and in numerous cases purely a terror organisation. ALL Middle Eastern states , Pakistan and much of Muslim Africa fails to meet even the most basic international standards for human rights. Dubai might not be THAT far away, but Saudi for example, the home of Mecca and Medina are as monstrous as anything from Nazi Germany. I mean these crackpots behead women for being rape victims. Smell the coffee people?

Its quite clear that the extremist Muslim tactic is to breed as quickly as possible, with no regard for the welfare of children, simply so that Muslims can become the majority in more and more parts of Britain. And then the planned fragmentation of Britain will begin. As it did in Chechnya, the Balkans and everywhere else that has had a large Muslim proportion. Time for some mass deporations, whether they were born here or not, methinks.

Muslim Sharia "laws" will never be acceptable in the West. Because they aren't laws according to any jurisdic definition. They are abominations of a cult.
If you're serious about living in a Western ie civilised country, I seriously suggest you consider your outlook. British people might be tolerant, but they do have limits. If and when the civil war does start, there'll be a lot more Muslim blood spilt than British.

I'm sure the British authorities would be rather interested in your views on Muslim gangs terrorising British people for drinking beer in THEIR (not YOUR!) country...

 

Pot. And. Kettle.


If Scracho is a "racist", I wish every person was one.
I'd give him a MONTH full of + rep if the feature was still here.

What would I give you? Probably an introduction to the "report Islamic extremism" squad.

 

Thanks brother. That "well, they do it too," doesn't get it. Good posts.

 

Race is a social concept used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic,geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation.

...war is hell, but Putin made his bones politically by being particularly repressive to the Muslim Chechen population in a way he wasn't with any of the other separatist states at the time.

Are huge parts of the Muslim world lacking in human rights? Of course. So are huge parts of the Christian world (re: Latin America, Russia, most of Eastern Europe 26 years ago, etc). But once again, blaming this on religion rather than poverty, imperial history, and institutional weakness is academically dishonest.

But since you're somehow ascribing views to me that are beyond baffling (DUR! GET OUT OF AMERICA! DUR! TERRORIST! DUR!), I'll sum things up for you nicely.

1. Violence within countries is largely a function of poverty and institutional weakness, not religion. With the exception of developed countries, most countries do not have well-defended human rights regardless of race or religion.

2. The idea of a small religious community wanting to ban alcohol within their community is hardly offensive, because England, the US, and most other developed countries have a large legacy of laws with religious roots and people do not find those to be a problem. The only difference is WHICH religion, which shouldn't be relevant unless people are discriminating.

 

Just because you C&P'd that sentence and all those links straight out of Wikipedia, it doesn't automatically make you right on this.

Race is only about genetic and phenotypic characteristics of human beings. Period.
You're simply using that statement so you can trivialize the real definition of racism.
And when you really look at how vast and widespread Islam majorities are spread across the world, Islam identifies itself with no specific race.
A person can select and change their religious beliefs at will, but not their race.

 

Of course it isn’t a race; it’s a religion, worshipped by tens of millions across the world.

The Nation of Islam formerly under the leadership of Elijah Muhammad (The Black Muslims) and then later Louis Farrakhan is an anomaly. The religion was used as a means to an end to prove the superiority of the black race.

It’s almost cult-like when during World War II the NOI sided with the Japanese under the banner of The Black Dragon Society. A way to team up with our Asian brothers (our distant cousins) to destroy the white race

Hotwater

 

I understand where you are coming from (and there is a valid point in there imo) but that does not make him automatically a racist at all.

I have the feeling Scratcho only liked this post because it defends him. To me it seems like it comes from just as much an extremist you (Iamnotaman) make Sitka out to be... just from the exact opposite side of the coin (russian as it seems, yep you make yourself sound like a biased (english) russian extremist).

"You're obviously some sort of extremist, and in my opinion a danger to the social fabric of the civilised world."

The same could be projected on to you, when we take in account all the ludicrous extremist nonsense you have posted on these forums.

By the way, Iamnotaman, you seem to be talking about such a lot of different muslims in above quote I am wondering if you are not mixing things up/are hopelessly generalizing and stigmatizing there. For example, is every muslim from the Caucasus as bad as you seem to make them out to be? Same with calling the islam a desert nazi religion (or something), are you sure there isn't a big amount of muslims that live and treat other people more peaceful than even yourself (even in the middle east)?

 

iamnotaman sounds super extreme lol...da fuck are you on about,man?