Music Of The Underground

As long as they make great music I wouldn't be bothered with that. It is just as useful as placing a verdict on a kind of music because of how it was made, not because of how it sounds.

 

How music is categorized means a great deal to how it will be marketed.


Ha ha, here's some EDM for ya...tell me it's not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1pMmg4_FWU

 

I'm sure those who make great music aren't bothered with that.

No doubt. With the right spin one might even 'sell out' lol

Everlovin drinkin music? :-D






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHzLvIk0oX8

 

You have no concept of a musician needing to make a living do you. When was the last time you actually paid for music?

You and Asmos responses are typical. One day there will be no real musicians left and y'all be stuck listening to algorithm based, computer generated sequences. What ever you call that last shit, 'dub' or whatever, is not far off anyway, its like a jackhammer to the brain. I fail to see any musical value at all.

I guess I don't take the right drugs huh?

 

If you think that one day there won't be real musicians left because of how we are (or lets just talk about myself here) I am listening and/or perceiving music then yes, you must have ingested something wrong (probably a big bowl of prejudice ).

Besides it is debatable when a person that makes music is not a real musician anymore, our love for music that happens to be made completely digital/on the computer does not take away anything from 'authentic' musicians or their music. In fact I am kind of curious how you mean that: "there will be no real musicians left..." Hope you explain how you picture that because in reality I just don't see it happening. Dub has been around for decades by the way and has incorporated analogue sounds in their mixes (or dubs) as well since the beginning. Not sure that makes any difference to you. Maybe you just have a problem with the repeating rhythms and the computer generated sounds.

Last night I had a glorious evening of playing chess, smoking weed and listening for hours to a superb playlist of reggae and dub. I am sure I was enjoying music as much and in the same way as you would. But you would convict the dub music because simply put you don't like the characteristics of the genre. That's as typical as it gets

 

It's not just dub, the music industry is embracing EDM (and rap, *shudder*) and it's techniques like never before, and it's becoming ubiquitous in just about every genre.
It's cheap to make, in many ways the equivalent of fast food, artificial ingredients and all.
Of course lots of kids love it, but there's already a wave of backlash.
Don't get me wrong, electronic music, EDM, underground dance music, rap, all that shit has it's place, but
I seem to hear more and more young people that are discovering music of the past, music exclusively performed by humans.
Fallible, idiosyncratic, passionate humans.
And these kids are screaming, "THIS IS AWESOME MUSIC!" and" WTF happened?
Why does the music of my generation suck by comparison?"

In the words of the great Joe Walsh...

"Records, record stores, record sales, it’s all gone. And it’s up to the young musicians to try and figure it out. There’s no money in it, no record companies. It’s free, you can download it. Nobody gets paid, so they can’t afford to make music. That’s what’s happening.
And they’re just cranking out music that is just a recipe.

You know, nobody is playing at the same time. Everybody’s adding on virtual instruments that don’t exist on to a drum machine that somebody programmed. And you can tell in the music that’s out now. It’s all been programmed. There’s no mojo. There’s nobody testifying. There’s not the magic of a human performance, which is never perfect. And the magic of a human performance is what we all know and love in the old records, by the way they were made. And it’s all gone."


There's nobody testifying...

 

Ever since I figured out that besides all the crap people listen to (imo) and the stuff on the radio there is still so much good stuff that suits my taste I didn't gave a shit about all the crap anymore. Even when I do now it does not anger or frustrate me in any way anymore because I do not longer fear it is or will become the only music out there.
Also: there are so much people making new analogue music as well that such concerns about the future of good or sincere or analogue etc. etc. music are taken away.
Besides the new techniques, that aren't always impressive to me neither btw (especially what I hear on the mainstream channels), young people are also making folk, 'classic' rock, reggae, they are making weird indie kind of stuff that doesn't suit me at all but is clearly made just as often with new techniques as the traditional.
To me it is clear the magic of a human performance will never be gone and always be appreciated, certainly by me (I just don't see it threatened by other kinds of performances).

Your issue to me seems to be all about personal preferences, which is ok of course! (and can even be interesting to talk about!), but you are making it an issue about music in general and to me that clearly isn't the case. I mean what has rap to do with it? It is ok you see no musical value in something but to project things like 'he doesn't know shit about real music' on the person who does see it seems a bit hysterical to me. You and them would simply value other things in music.

Anyway, when you begin about record sales that seems a different issue with different reasons to me.

 

Sorry you can't connect the dots, I gave it a shot.

 

I am sorry you are afraid for the future of the human performance and good music in general. I tried to explain why it is not necessary

 

Does it make you poor to have chosen to be a musician? That's your arrangement with life the wage you agreed to accept. Are you saying if you don't pay for music it isn't worthy music?
Is there anything from stopping you from trying your hand at the new medium? I play guitar and no one pays me to do it. I could arrange it so they did. Maybe add a PA and a drum machine or all kinds of digital effects. Does it diminish my talent that I had employed props?

 

I know you think you have all the answers, dope, but you are really out of your depth on this one.

When lots of people don't pay for music, musicians can't afford to make new music, only pie-eyed hacks and hobbyists.
So what you end up with is a compromised product. of amateur quality. You get Indy, for instance lol then suddenly you have an entire generation of kids that think because you can bang out three chords on the guitar and drone a half-assed 3 note vocal melody, thats all there is to 'talent'

Ahh but for those without the gumption to even entertain the idea of learning anything about making music, the wonders of computer technology provides a solution. If you can push a button, you too can be a 'musician'! (Don't worry though, you'll get a more respectable title like DJ, or Producer)

When one guy with the musicality of a 3 year old can stand at a console, push a button play what is essentially canned music, AND people are willing to pay for it, what am I to think as a promoter, or venue owner?
Well shit, fuck paying a whole band, I'm going with the cheapest solution, as long as it sells beer and merch, who gives a fuck?

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Play live.

 

I think it necessary to compete in the economic environment if you are interested in succeeding economically. There is nothing preventing a group form refining their art together and if you have a product people like then you will find a venue.

It is not stifling creativity it's just complaining that the playing field is not fair. The concert industry is large.
As far as the sincere value of DJ's I have a friend who is a significant one on the west coast club scene.
He opened the other night with his saxophone and proceeded to dance the house.

 

I don't know every thing. I know what I know and it as that level you can test what you know. If I am neglected for the impression of being pompous then it is because you are satisfied with your opinion. Frankly the only reason I want to talk to any body is because I consider them reasonable.

 

I agree talent and virtuosity are two different things but you can be virtuous at anything. Maybe the quintessential hit man. I think also it is our adaptability that makes us virtuous over time.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px5b1DKAQI0

 

“The most important thing to do in your life is to “The Ultimate Rule ought to be: 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchin'; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty. The more your musical experience, the easier it is to define for yourself what you like and what you don't like. American radio listeners, raised on a diet of _____ (fill in the blank), have experienced a musical universe so small they cannot begin to know what they like.”
― Frank Zappa, The Real Frank Zappa Book

C/S,
Rev J

 

There is a resembalance to raves and events like The Acid Tests with the Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd's early shows at the UFO Club. They are similar in that the music for these particular events is mostly in regards to accentuating the psychedelic experiences, notably LSD and MDMA. The combination of the music with sensory deprivation/stimulation all direct the manifested mind in certain ways to produce more often than not, transformative experiences.

 

I haven't bought a record in a while. The problem is the records I buy are twenty year old jungle records like the one you failed to see any musical value in, the money no longer going to those who made them. Probably a good thing in your estimation, right? :-D


Do you ever dance?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOWhc-Lnawk