More than one car?

RE: Why not? Wood'd be a fine and renewable energy source.

Think of the thpotted owlth.

And the gween thpathe.

 

RE: look at the technology suzuki is using on it's new quad's, they come with O2 sensor's, map sensor, fuel injection,crank an cam sensor's, an electric fuel pump's, wouldnt take much more to put a catalytic convertor, and air pump

One of the reasons why Harleys get ridden by guys who ride is this:

You can always patch a carburetor up enough to limp into the next town. You can tow a bike with another. (Engine doesn't have to be running for the tranny to oil). You can use a beer can and some twine to patch a blown exhaust.

With the veeble and the fetzer and the EFI computer chip response with the oxygen sensor and the like, only someone with 1,000,000,000 worth of tools could possibly work on it and by work on it I mean take out old part, junk old part, replace with new part, that'll be $2000 please.

F8ck that.

F8ck the EPA.

We don't pollute nearly a hundredth of what others do. Yet somehow we have to give up our lifestyle for the sake of some spotted owl while Zhongyingyengyangchangwong industries inc. (translated into English - thanks for all the jobs, suckers) sits there burning pits of molten lead.

 

Oh yeah, what was I thinking?

 

well i work on them"with alot less than a billion dollar's worth of tool's" actually troubleshooting is alot easier, just plug in to the data link, read code's fix prob. not to mention how much easier it is to do the precision tuning.these have become more reliable every model. now to get back on track , point was, a lot of automotive tech is making it's way to the motorcycle an 4 wheeler industry , so i guess u have to take the good with the bad.

 

RE: which is what the e.p.a. is going after, the catalytic convertor wouldnt get much hotter than the present exhaust system of most bike's

Would you mind telling the manufacturers this? They seem to think otherwise, and their lawyers have conniptions with the thought of something THAT hot in proximity to the leg of the rider and/or tanks of gasoline.

Listen, people like simple bikes. People do NOT buy complicated, ugly, lumpy machines. You can try and legislate your commie utopia, but you won't succeed. You can argue that once you get rid of clunky, cool sounding pushrod engines you have something with more horsepower, MPG etc.

Look at the facts, though. The Honda Valkyrie is a REALLY fast bike, but it sounds like a lawnmower and looks like you crammed a truck engine under the tanks. What's selling better is Shovelhead bikes - to the point that you used to get em for $500 and now have to pay $5000 at LEAST for a set of boxes with MOST of the parts for said bike in them.

And let me ask you this - what would be a bigger waste of resources - keeping a 74FL going for twenty more years, or scrapping it and building a RUB billet barge with the oxygen sensors and cat converters and veebles and fetzers? That'd work right fine with the credit card biker types - but it isn't what sells.

It's like cars. People like machines that are solid, stable, easy to work on, etc. When the EPA told Detroit to stop making cool cars like the Dodge Charger (Dukes O Hazzard 70s edition) and make tiny shoeboxes out of carbon fiber, people looked for the exemption, found it in SUVs, and bought those instead.

So instead of people tooling around in slightly less efficient cars, now they're steaming around in Escalades. Way to go, EPA.

 

RE: well i work on them"with alot less than a billion dollar's worth of tool's" actually troubleshooting is alot easier, just plug in to the data link,

Oh really? Let's presume the "data link" is wrong. Hey, how much is a "data link" reader? Do you know I can get by on my bike with two screwdrivers and three socket wrenches for about 99.999% of the stuff I need to do?

RE: read code's fix prob. not to mention how much easier it is to do the precision tuning.these have become more reliable every model.

Unless something goes wrong. And then it gets REAL expensive REAL fast. Because your little blinky LED says "replace entire fuel injection system" not "turn idler screw two half turns counterclockwise."

 

i know alot of older mechanic's whose biggest complaint is " i used to be able to fix every car i seen brokedown on the side of the road, these day's cant fix shit" lmao. get with the program, i used to fix the ol' point's % carb car's an i fix the new comp. car's ,finally a challenge, well not really , just seem's a bit complex at first. yeah the day's of "rigging" are pretty much gone, but so are the day's of pushing a big heavy turd.

 

hmmm. ok well 1st my scanner doesnt have blinking led's, it has a screen which tell's me more data than you will ever get by turning idle screw's.as far as replacing entire fuel injection, which i could see a newb doing ,not me.if you know what your looking at you can pinpoint any problem, it give's inj. pulse width,inj. pressure, o2 reading's, manifold pressure, ign. timing, basically everything u need "and most dont have" is the info to precision tune . all you can do is go by a plug reading"which isnt very accurate"

 

RE: yeah the day's of "rigging" are pretty much gone

Break down somewhere and "rigging" can be the difference between making it to where you're going and not.

RE: hmmm. ok well 1st my scanner doesnt have blinking led's, it has a screen which tell's me more data than you will ever get

You still didn't tell me how much this gewgaw costs.

RE: by turning idle screw's.as far as replacing entire fuel injection, which i could see a newb doing ,

Unless you CAN'T because it's one of those one-piece-not-serviceable-unless-you-work-for-NASA things that they call automotive and motorcycle parts these days.

RE: not me.if you know what your looking at you can pinpoint any problem

That much is true. But if you break down side of the road it'd be nice to only have to worry about spark, fuel and air and not oh wait, is it the minor VOES or the major VOES thing that doesn't work? Hey, get a tow truck here to tow me 100 mi to the nearest town, don't sweat the cost, I can afford the microprocessor tech. And hang on while the parts come in from Japan, two weeks is it? Damn.

 

lol i guarantee you this, the cadillac escalade get's way better fuel mileage than the dodge charger, the 440hp hardly ever seen better than 8m.p.g., the 440hp with 2 4 bbl's around 5 m.p.g., a buddy of mine has a 66' dart convertible with the 440hp 2x4 with a 4 speed. he say's he can drain a full tank "13 gallon's" in less than 30 minute's of highway driving, he drove it to a car show, he called me to haul it back home on my trailer.

 

Awesome

 

it's a techIII, made by snap-on, so u can only guess it isnt cheap. i bought it in 99' was $1999.00 then , over 5k now. but i could download alldata for every g.m. vehicle from work. which is between 4 an 5 k worth of info. everyone who own's one swear's by em tho. mine has paid for itself many time's over, with work i wouldn't have been able to do without it.

 

So you're telling me I will soon need to buy and carry a piece of equipment that costs as much as a good used Harley in order to troubleshoot a bike?

Thanks, but I'll stick to the FXE. I might get 25mpg and you get 30mpg... but the tangible benefits for me of being on some classic iron and being able to figure things out myself is worth far more.

 

I mean, we're rapidly getting into the realm of disposable cars.

A BMW hits a small bump and deploys all SIXTY airbags, it's cheaper to BUY ANOTHER CAR than replace the bags.

The radiator on newer trucks is made out of a brittle material that SHATTERS in impact. Let's replace it entirely! In the old days you'd bash the dent out with a hammer.

Oh and the frame is now aluminum. Can't use regular body tools on it - gotta find you a specialist.

The carb on our first Hyundai couldn't be serviced - whole fuel system needed replacement. Was built to be used, junked and totally replaced.

Count me out.

 

hmm

 

Didn't the President of Hyundai commit suicide about a year ago?

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You claim to be an expert on the quality and structure of my posts, yet you failed to notice that ive already explained that my family lives in a country area, a good four or five miles from what could be described as a town, and a good ten miles from what could be described as a busy town. Your arrogance astounds me.

 

I and every other European im in contact with seem to be getting on just fine, thank you very much

 

Believe me honey you seem just as weird to me

 

You admit "were screwed" when oil runs out, yet you seem directly opposed to my protest about the excessive use of cars, and therefore fuel. Really, im baffled.