Morality and perversion

Aren't you a little old for that? I'm not a cynic who sees nothing as love, but the opposite extreme seems quite unrealistic as well. I know some very loving people who want to reach as many people as they can with positive energy, but they know that not everyone can be reached, because not all are receptive. You're not living in a Buddhist monastery, so you aren't insulated from the real world. I can't figure out how you got to be you.

My short list:

look both ways before crossing the street
keep the doors locked
don't leave expensive items on the car seat
wear a seatbelt
don't walk alone after dark in bad neighborhoods
choose passwords that nobody could guess
eat healthy things and exercise
don't travel to Mexico

I know that none of this guarantees me a long and healthy life, but it does improve the odds. I know how statistics work.

That quote could only come from a man. How would a woman apply that principle to a potential rapist? The obvious answer is absolutely out of the question!

If people are not asking of you more than you are able to give, it's because they don't know how you feel about this issue. There will always be too many people who want something for nothing. And once you are left with nothing, you are no longer able to help anyone.

That's why I didn't make any projections beyond tomorrow.

I know what it means to not be alive. Before I was born, I knew nothing and had no thoughts. It will not be unpleasant for me to return to that state, but I'm in no rush to get there. Not today.

Are you a fatalist or a determinist?

I do things every day that change something. I could have chosen not to post in this thread, and it would have been different. Maybe better, maybe worse, but different. I'm the opposite of a fatalist. I think that everything changes something, at least in the short term.

 

Last thing first, like calls unto like, that is we cultivate phenomena, but at the same time I am no stranger to any level of depravity. It is for the very reason that I have been shit on that I have come to my practices.

As far as me being naive,
Everyone is devoted inextricably to their own good. If someone conceives themselves without their good they will attempt to obtain it by hook or by crook. If it turns out to be by crook, it is still a level of devotion to good as crook conceives the path to goodness for himself. This devotion to goodness is a call for love, is it not? It says there is good in the world and I must have it, a whole longing of self.

Statistics are representative of no particular individual. One however applies to all, mortality is 100 percent. Do you really believe you strike bargains with life?

The difference between consensual sexual acts and non consensual acts is consent. If I do not defend myself, I cannot be attacked. You are the author of the character of the population around you. The person in front of you is either your jailer or your savior depending on how you regard them. What ever is done, we always do together. For there to be a victim, someone must articulate that they have been victimized. We are justified by our own descriptions.

There are persons who know e quite well and as of yet I have not come to the end of what I have. I have nothing other than being, it is being I share with all things. It is being absent or exclusive of nothing

My take on this is I am personally unaware of a time when I was not. I have heard stories about how I came to be or how I am, but they prove to be hearsay.

I am willful.

The changes I see are like sun sparks on the ocean. They are corridors of refraction who's parameters are set by conception, description, and consequently action. The ray of creation proceeds, thought, word, and deed.

However, the only way that creation is time sensitive is that if it doesn't or is not happening now, it is not happening. That is the past as well as the future are both artifacts of current emergence. They exist as entities only as living tissue, memory.

The world we cannot change. We cannot stop the tides from turning but we can change our minds about the world. To have a different world in the future, conceive a different one in the present. Practical is what we practice at.

 

That's true. If things that I do for others are motivated by my desire to feel good about myself, then...well, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looking at that under a microscope. There isn't a problem there to fix.

Not at all. I just don't want to make stupid mistakes.

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:toetap05: Good luck finding one female on the planet who will agree.

Fair enough.

 

My point is, there is no other motive, nothing sinister no matter you may be on the receiving end of someones desperate attempts at satisfaction.

I would say stupid is as stupid is described. All preference arises from the temperate zone of human metabolism. Biologically that zone is around 98 degrees. Conceptually that zone is defined by boundaries we invent. I regard myself as part of a pulse of magnanimous intent and my body as a communication device congruent with that intent.

Well I don't need anyone to defend me but I appreciate the good wishes.

What I suggest is not uncommon in nature as a survival strategy, i, e, playing possum.

It is conceptually difficult to appreciate the wisdom of turning the other cheek because overwhelmingly the worlds default understanding is the kill or be killed instinct for self preservation. But the drive for being need not be in contest with itself, it may express itself in it simplest form with the instinct for self preservation as in the wall of a cell, or in it's most complex or highest form, as gratitude.

 

You overlook anger. Such as what I'm feeling right now. I could enjoy hurting you now, even though I would get no direct, tangible benefit out of it. I walked away from the computer for a while to gather my thoughts, but I'm still offended and outraged at your last two posts.

I expect to encounter some sexism online now and then, but not at this level, not from someone who gives superficial signs of being an educated person.

(I own a thesaurus too, and I know how to speak in riddles if I want to.)

I hope someday you will get the opportunity to try out your "possum" strategy with a large, muscular, homosexual rapist with HIV and several other STD's. If so, let us know how that goes for you. Karma can be a bitch.

You obviously have a big problem with the concept of compassion, especially for those who desire only to live in peace, so I have a big problem with you.

 

Anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so. I would be quite curious as to how you think you might accomplish, "hurting me".
You are offended by your interpretation of my posts. My posts are symbols on a page.

Why do you feel my comments are sexist in nature. Females are not the only ones who are subject to finding themselves in positions of experiencing sexual violence as I personally can attest to. If anyone is being sexist at this point, I think it might be you.

As far as sexual identity goes, I am a human being endowed with both male and female creative energies. Sexual dimorphism is a reproductive strategy.

What do I riddle you?

Karma can be a bitch huh? Do you imagine that my attitude invites attack by large, muscular, homosexual rapists with hiv and several other stds? If you feel you have a point, I welcome you to try do something untoward to me but the likely hood is, events simply will not inspire you to do that.

Is it necessary to accuse to be compassionate? If you have a problem with me it is because you desire something other than peace. Peace exists where the conditions of peace are met.

I apologize if you feel I am responsible for your anger.

 

Oh and, I do not overlook anger. I feel it is not justified in any form.

 

Physical pain is always a good starting point.

Of course, that scenario assumes that I think you are worth the effort. Apathy is the opposite of love. Hate involves caring, on some level.

Oh, so now we have an issue with the definition of the word "communication". Somebody should have bought you a dictionary for Christmas. Me thinkest thou hast a problem with thy understanding of the Queen's English, good sir.

I have to assume at this point that you are single, or your wife/girlfriend has no idea that you have an account here. No woman has any toleration for the kind of comments you made about rape.

Some people have to learn everything through personal experience. It's inefficient, but...whatever.

Whatever shit you went through that made you like this, you need to get professional counseling for it. Seriously.

I'm sure you don't. Especially when you provoke it.

 

I am in constant physical pain, you are not the author of it.

You requested my friendship and you have it. I treat my friends with equanimity. I have empathy for all suffering and I consider the least irritation to be the same as the greatest catastrophe. You are mistaken that I do not have an appreciation for your suffering, I just do not think it is "special".

What is it you are listening to? To read requires that you interpret the symbols on the page. As you interpret you do so by association. What you associate with is your past, not mine. I have just begun speaking to you.

Well your assumptions would be totally inaccurate. My girlfriend does have an account on hipforums. Onesublimesister, check it out. And you can consult with her to the effects I have in person. You are operating on imagination.

Seriously Karen j, what am I like?

Not even as it occurs within myself. There is no moment of anger that I have ever experienced that did not fade for some appreciation of a real thing. We are never upset for a fact, but for the interpretation of fact.

 

I just felt like adding that any emotion is justified at some point. You don't have them for nothing.

 

Our emotional life is tied to our conceptual associations.

Anger is a signal that you have not addressed adequately some situation. It is an example of fight or flight reflex gone awry. Anger is produced by a perceived existential threat. Unless you have run out of survival techniques at some level, anger is not the result. That is what I mean by not justified.

 

Uhhhm, it's a reaction, not necessarily a result of course. I don't get why you made that point? Nor why you described it with using the word justified in this case. Are you aware that you are sometimes being misunderstood solely by the words you seem to choose?
Also don't get why you made the point about morality being abstract by the way (it seems rather evident to me) but I was planning to not getting into that

 

I am aware when people tell me. I make the point about anger because the justification for it is in this case as in most, "the devil made me do it."

Take this current conversation with karen j as she claims that I provoke her anger. For me to be provocative I must be committing some offense. I then am the offender, the devil. I make the point in this way to expose hidden fundamental assumptions that distort our appreciation of what we see.

You wouldn't get the point given your perspective but your perspective is not generally shared. The overwhelming inclination is to think that morality is a universal code that must be followed and Karen j must be an adherent to that idea if she thinks I need help, if she conceives me as humanely deficient.

 

karen j : rape always , universally creates a victim .

and then she creates her social self via outrage . outrage
is currently an abused and cultish social word . so is going
forward .

outrage going forward ,

unto an oblivion without touch , without intersection .

the disrespected who can love more and more may defeat this .

 

Outrage appears to me akin to righteous indignation.

Breakdowns come and breakdowns go, what are ya going to do about it, that is what i would like to know.

There is no indignity in righteousness and dignity can not be had unless it is shared, (love more).

That something is offensive is a claim of the offended, not the offender. The claim of the offender is good. The appropriate response of one mind to another is honor, in this way we preserve our value and the integrity of our, mind.

The storms in the atmosphere reflect the storms in our consciousness as the storms in our consciousness reflect the storms in the atmosphere. Our individual consciousness is inviolate. No one else can provide the living bellows to our diaphragm. We see to believe and we believe to see and we are justified by our own proclamations.

Accusation is a tyranny holding the power of our own mind enslaved by it's own verdict and making the obvious effects of our own thinking, invisible. When we accuse, we throw our power away as though we never had it.

There are wounds that need attention but there is no victimization involved in the painful condition of embodiment. Pain is a nervous equivalent of the friction of maintaining separation in form from universal content.

 

Outrage appears to me .

There are wounds that need attention .

(love more) .

One mind to another is honor ,

in violet .

 

All expressions of love are maximal, the red of blood, the orange of the hearth, the yellow of the sun, the green on the earth, the blue in the sky.

We find those most agreeable whom we agree with. To love more is to allow it to be without objection.

I am honored tikoo

 

If you are on strong prescription painkillers when you are online, that would explain a lot.

Though I do dislike you, I'm sorry that you have health problems. I am sure you can explain in proper academic terms why that sentiment is meaningless, and/or deeply flawed.

But I'm through listening.

When I read your posts, I find so many things wrong with them that I could spend a lot of time rebutting each and every one of them. But that would only give you more opportunities to point out the intellectual flaws that you perceive in everything I say. That isn't a conversation. It's a competition.

Getting into a conversation with an insecure intellectual can be a lot like putting one hand on the proverbial tar baby. There is no way out.

But there is a way out, here. This forum has an Ignore feature. Welcome to my Ignore list. :cheers2: Few have managed to earn a spot there.

 

I tried pain killers but ultimately they have one serous side effect, they wear off. I have sworn off participating in the "medical system" and live with any biological developments I may incur. I am not complaining when I say I am in pain. I am simply pointing out that the prospect of you inflicting pain upon me is not the least bit threatening, you are in no guise the measure of my experience.

I cannot explain why you find cause to dislike me. I do not understand what offense I may have committed. I admit I have reached the extent of my intellect on this issue.

It is you who find me wrong, not the other way around. I do object to determinations based on too small a sampling. It is unfortunate that you choose this tack, rather I appreciate your perspectives in many ways and enjoy talking to you. Your treatment of me however doesn't speak well for the reliable goodness of your "compassion". You have never met me. You are dealing with your own sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system, not with an alien threat. It's desire is for you, that is, your sensational being, emotional passion, can be instructive, but you must learn to master it.

So far you have demonstrated yourself to be an unreliable "friend" who chooses to flee rather than face the processes of your self generated discomfort. This does not mean I would withhold anything from you, I give to those who ask, but I would not leave you to accomplish things that are important to me. That is I wouldn't ask you any favors because I could not rely on you to deliver.

If you feel you are trapped, it is by your descriptions of me. Minds cannot attack other minds.

It is nice to know you find me exceptional.

 

Dope, I sense you are clearly more aware of what frustrates people like her in you and I also think I even sense some kind of joy in it by intentionally going on proclaiming your insights like you do here. Just an observation of course.