here we go.. food rationing begins in the united states... http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994?page_no=1 before anyone says it.. limiting the amount you may purchase on a non sale item is by definition rationing...
Fun... Have you seen some of the new store designs? They have parapets complete with gunports. Just incase the citizens get out of hand...
Two thoughts on money: One, If you don’t want it you don’t need it! With the possible exception of food and water, almost everything else is something you want rather than need. So, learn to minimize your wants so you can concentrate on your needs. Two, think of money as your time not as money. If you make $10 an hour and a haircut is $20 then the haircut cost you 2 hours of your life that you could have spent doing other things. Just think of a $20,000 car at $10 an hour that’s 2000 hours or 50 - 40 hour work weeks or almost a year of your life. Is that car worth selling yourself into slavery for a year? Thinking in terms of how much something costs you in your time, will help you to see what you have to sacrifice to acquire something and whether it’s worth it to you.
if your a land owner money is essential in some context.. you cant barter for your property taxes last i checked.. so your "if you dont want it you dont need it " statement is completely false on more levels than just food and water.. if your a land owner you can grow your own food and if you bought a good piece of property it has water on it,but once again,,last i checked,ya cant barter property taxes.. the way i see it is unless your homeless.. you do need money. now your second thought,i agree with. its called living within your means.. sad thing is,even those who were living within there means a few short months ago may very well soon be in dire financial straights with the soaring inflation we are experiencing.. i wish it was as simple as some make it out to be,but it simply isnt..
Unfortunately what you say is so true. Statements like, "Reduce your dependence on money", and "All you need is love", have a tendency to irritate the heck out of me. Let's be realistic people, you can't barter for everything. I grow/raise/hunt my own food, make my own electricity, cut my own wood for heat and cooking and have my own water supply. I am far more self sufficient that most out there and working and making money is how I got there, and I still need money.
Actually, you kind of got both of them wrong. I'm not advocating doing away with money because money can be very useful. But I am talking about looking at money differently. The first one was to try to get people away from typical American thinking. That anything they want is a need! And the second point was to help people see the true value of things.
Swan has voiced respected opinions among Family for a lot of years, in many forums, including here; folks sometimes forget exact screen names & passwords...please let's not make judgements by the number of someone's posts; this is the Rainbow forum, all with a belly button or a heart..
nope not wrong at all here.. this may be what you meant,but it was not what you typed. i interpreted your words at face value.. i feel my interpretation was a valid one as i was not aware that there was supposed to be some underlying cryptic message.. perhaps in the future if these are the things you truly intended conveying,you should actually type that rather than assume that folks will just naturally read between the lines and grasp that which you intended to type even though you didnt.. have a nice day..
I didn't figure you'd admit to it! This is what I originally typed, doesn't seem cryptic to me but I rephrased it for you anyway so maybe you could grasp my meaning. Sometimes actually reading and trying to understand a post before denigrating it is helpful. PS About taking my words at face value, the first half of your reply talks about the need for money and there is nothing in my post that says that you either need or don't need money. It seems you were doing your own reading between the lines.
Oh yes I have had absolutely nothing before...dead broke, homeless with nothing but what I had on my back and yes love is important. It was those moments that set the foundation for the rest of my life. And yes love is most important. I just can't feed my kids and support my land on love alone. One thing I always found interesting were many of the people who lived on love alone and not money often failed to realize that somewhere in the chain of people and events that lead to them being fed there was money. lovin ya back gaia
I don't know about anyone else here, but I work my butt off. I HAVE to work 40 hours a week or we don't eat, I only make 8.50 an hour, after the rent, lights, and gas ($60 for a tank) I'm done. I'm telling you it sucks to not be able to go grocery shopping. I don't own my own land, but I have 2 teenagers so being homeless is not an option. My hubby has had the opportunity to travel but being that we cannot live on love alone I have to work. I'm telling you it doesn't seem fair. Anyone wants to know where Jody's Mrs is when he's at gatherings I'll tell you...She's staying at home because she has to work her ass off. My husband has a brain injury so he gets a whopping $404 a month. Which usually is promised out to people before the 1st of the month. Hell we're on notice now because we're behind on our rent AGAIN!! Why? because we had a car that needed work a couple of months ago and food pantries around here don't give you enough to feed 2 teenagers for a week let alone a month (all you're allowed to go once per month) so where does food money come from? Rent. What happens when you don't pay rent..you get evicted. Oh yes. the last time I attempted to get food stamps I was told that I make too damn much money. Talk about living on the grid...Not homeless Just caught inbetween. I just feel like I'm busting my ass for nothing, especially on payday. Sometimes I wonder why I'm trying I just keep getting deeper in the hole.
Hey Jody, you should look up some churches in your area. Around here you can be as poor as you like but swim in food, which is such a backwards thought to bringing people up in the world. Surely you need food to live but too much and you've lost your motivation. Anyway, here if you can't get on food stamps there is a great food bank and the Mormon church will give you food from their storehouse. Seriously if I were behind in rent and I had teenagers we'd be out dumpster diving or they'd be getting a job, both of which are beautiful choices/sacrifices that I think anyone would make for their family. I don't mean to judge your family, Jody, but since you brought it up.... I'm curious why they don't. Anyone who is in need of food should look for their nearest Mormon church, or any church. It's not really free even though it doesn't cost money, of course (neither are food stamps or food bank) because it costs you time and that unique feeling of being needy. Better than starving though! I reiterate, anyone needing a job for money before the long easy summer should head for Utah where there is still abundance and a chance to make $10 - $16 an hour with no experience. Once you don't need money, you can live on love. My door is open
Not to pick on you or your comment because what you say is true. The problem is that the concept of money is so ingrained in society today that people begin to think it's always been here and is needed more than things like food and water and yes, Love. The fact is mankind got along just fine without money for thousands of years and if you look at what happened in Germany not too long ago, when it took a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread, you can see that money isn’t always to be trusted. So that means if things really get bad money could become worthless. The plain and simple truth is you can’t eat money. Burning it isn’t even a good heat source for warming your house. So now would be a good time to think about other ways of getting the things you need for you and your family, just in case.
I understand where most people are coming with this $ thing. Living is hard and it gets harder. But I must say it again. In this world you Need money it's not a matter of want. Unless, you want to be homeless and live on the streets, which I do not want to do. I've been there done that got by and it was great, but now I am at a different time in my life where that is not an option. Another option (if I were a mother) Is to see my children diving into dumpsters for food or having them beg on street corners just to get by?!?!?!?! This is CRAZY, actually NUTTY. Never Ever Ever would I Ever think about having my children EVER do such wow, I can't even type...Done with this thought. I would feel that being the provider for children I would work just as hard as that momma above screamed out. Much love to you. You are doing an amazing deed and giving the love of loves to your children by making that sacrafice to go to work every day for $8.50/hour. I'm sure they appreciate it and if they are at an age where they do not appreciate it right now, when they are older they will. You are an inspiration to me. As a human being and a mom. People should look up to you and never question such a great deed that you are doing for your family. Bravo! Momma Bravo! You should be proud! And for all those that think well why don't you get up and move then to a place where they make more money? It's not that easy to get up and move when you have children, and a life where you currently are. love you all.
I agree, but wow and I was just so filled with AHHHHHHHHH at that point that I just hoped family would let me vent, and they did! Yayayay! Thanks Fam. How fast do you think the food rationing thing is going to spread? I don't think I'm prepared at all for whats ahead. I hope that I don't start preparing too late, but It's going to have to wait a couple more months. I'm just very sad, why aren't there protests here in the U.S.A. like back in the 60's? Have we all lost our nerve? Why hasn't there been a demonstration that has taken course with notoriety? It seems like France are the only people who know how to say no to the gov't. If there was something that I knew was going to take place in Washington D.C. I would be there in a heart beat. I don't get it, when are we going to start acting like Americans and start questioning the gov't. If we are so against what is going on currently in history, why are we not demonstrating to change tomorrow, which would change today? ~disclaimer to the above~ In the above paragraph, please note that I am questioning myself as well. And for any offenses, please take my apology now so that we can skip all the yelling at me for not being able to live on love alone. And for truly trying to be democratic in which our gov't is suppose to be, but which Americans never truly demonstrate, a lot of people just sit back and watch it happen. Last true demonstration was the hippy way of love. Changed Everything. Why can't it happen again? ~disclaimer to the above~ I'm off to bed, I just can't think anymore. Wishing you all a peaceful nights sleep, Until Tomorrow, ~Musik~
I share your estimation of Mrs.Judy, sir and understand where you're coming from in your critique of my post, though I say if you want to reply about my specific topics, don't shy away from using the "quote" button or use names. It was only me who said about dumpster diving kids and moving out for more $, not everyone in the thread, so it otherwise seems like you are grouping everyone with your critique. I respectfully defend my comments. Dumpster diving is not dishonorable, on the contrary in many a rainbow view, including my own, and even quite a few "mainstream" people, as any web search will show you. Our food bank recently basically stopped giving out fresh produce, at least from large stores, because of fear of lawsuits. Oh, the absolute waste these guys make! Also, she said her kids were teens, but I won't go into parenting views here, you have a right to believe in protecting teens from dumpsters. There are wastelands of trash in Africa from the Western World and some families are right now taking pride in sifting through it, to make their world better, and the aftereffect is "getting by." I am pretty sure no one in the thread has brought up begging on the streets as an option for money. I'm surprised not to see it on a rainbow board, but you can tone down the total fear over what "some people" think. Take a deep breath, respond thoughtfully, and move on. If I sound patronizing, I'm sorry, I type fast and whatever tumbles through the heart and mind through the fingers. Lovin you. I also respect the notion about not moving and uprooting a family. You're probably right in that offering would make me seem gloating like I have it all. I don't, and actually feel a lot like her with my family and work situation. But if a person cries out, gets pay or quit notices, can't get food bank food, etc. I will offer every thing and piece of advice I can get my hands on. My advice is free for the leaving taking or discussing. I sure don't expect anyone to rush out here and ask for it all on a platter having spent every last dime to get here. I hope they don't, because living in Babylon with even the most rainbow folk never works for long, and I hope they do, because it might get a sister to a rainbow gathering for once which would get her through another year of working her butt off. Whenever I invite internet people here it all ends up being theoretical anyway, 'cause no one ever comes. ;-)
i think your preaching to the choir.. from what ive read in this thread the only 3 people participating in this thread who are already prepared to provide for there family 100% without the use of money is free in alaska,hippiestead and i...
