Minorities in america are under attack.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by barefooted_in_iowa, Jul 20, 2010.

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  1. lines

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    That actually is what I am worried about.

    Although I am not interested in kissing peoples asses who are non-white as an expression of "white guilt".

    the fact you have the impresion that non-whites want revenge of some sort and the fact you are non-white leads me to believe there is at least some non-white people interested in revenge and maybe a significant amount.

    I certainly am not lumping all non-white people into a single ethnicity, obviously there are cultural differences and all the rest but non-whites were presented to me by you as maybe having grievances against whites and that they possibly would be interested in some sort of revenge
     
  2. JackFlash

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    My post was really meant to be factitious and satirical, not at all serious.

    If you're really worried, though, I can get you a "Free Pass" card that we're having printed for our friends (I'm Cherokee). This only gets you by the roving bands of Injuns; you still have to worry about the Mexicans, various South Americans and Blacks. But, I'd be most worried about the Asians, remember the building of the railroads. These guys are Karate experts and have all those sharp oriental weapons.

    Seriously, though, I think this idea of revenge is a bit ridiculous. Most people just want to live their lives unimpeded by discrimination. You don't have anything to worry about, except you won't get preferential treatment any more, which might be the real concern here. Do you think that whites might feel a little inferior themselves and need to have a superior position to feel secure?

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  3. lines

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    Do I think that whhites need a superor position to feel secure? I think some whites might need a superior position to feel secure.

    Im a white guy and to be honest I havent had much problem so far with dealing with racism in person with people. there have been a few times where I was a victim of racial discrimination but not that much.

    The place where I see most racism towards wwhites is the media and academia where its very common to hear people critical of whites very brazenly and openly.

    As far as the historical and present treatment of various peoples by whites... at this point I really dont know what could be done about it or how to deal with it. I feel very uncomfortable about it.

    The thing is if any people allow themselves to be put down or abused then that results in them getting abused more. And so its not rational for white people to accept getting pooped on by everyone.
     
  4. JackFlash

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    You don't think they're just calling a spade a spade? I mean, almost everywhere whites have gone they've been welcomed with open arms, only to kill the people who treated them with kindness and steal their land.


    A good beginning would be to step down from that throne of arrogance and allow us an equal opportunity to earn some of that wealth that you took from us. All of the gold, oil, and fertile land in the Americas belonged to the red and brown peoples until you took it by force. The white race is the wealthiest in the world today only because your ancestors stole the resources from other races.

    You mean, like the Cherokee allowed themselves to be sent on a death march so the white man could have their gold? Or, how the black man allowed themselves to be brought here to be enslaved and worked to death on plantations?

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  5. lines

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    @JackFlash

    Whether or not antiwhite speech is true is irrelevant, it still incites hate and should not be spoken within mainstream institutions. One of the reasons the jews were killed in nazi germany is because the nazi party said the jews were the wealthiest and so the people thought that if they killed the jews and confiscated their property it would help them get out of the recession.

    I agree that people who are economically disadvantaged should be given the opportunity to an education and they should be given extra assistance, however I think that extra assistance should be strictly based on how much money one or ones family has and racial considerations should not be taken into account. If certain races are disproportionately economically disadvantaged then helping people based on economic disadvantage alone would help those races without placing undue emphasis on race. Emphasis on race in society results in race issues nagging at the back of everyones head.

    I also think native american tribes should be recognized as sovereign nations and I am against the continued theft of american indian land by the usa government for the sake of corporate greed.

    Im really not sure what the future holds for white people or anyone but I do know from stuying history that antisemitic speech ultimately led to people persecuting jews and so hearing antiwhite speech and the fact that it is accepted by the mainstream worries me.
     
  6. barefooted_in_iowa

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    I agree that you should not go around kissing anyone's behind. That is not what good Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, "Other" people want. If you want to be a proud anglo, you are certainly entitled to feel that way. As long as you are not crossing any lines, and doing it in a responsible fashion, then enjoy yourself. However, and sadly for the good proud anglos who do exist, the term "white pride", and anything to do with being white and proud has been hijacked by irresponsible anglos. Do you ever wonder why Mexicans can scream "Brown power", Blacks can scream "Black power", Asians "Yellow power", etc. and it is not considered racist or hateful. But "white power" is automatically evil? Again, the irresponsible anglos have hijacked this, and sadly, I do not see responsible anglos ever being able to claim it back.

    You also bring up a good point on "revenge". If everything is so rosy and fair, and every person is equal with equal opportunities (which is exactly what beck, hannity, savage, et. al would have you believe) wouldn't revenge just be us treating you responsibly, fairly, and equally? What is so scary about that?
     
  7. barefooted_in_iowa

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    Why would you be concerned about how anglos will be treated? Do you feel that there is more racism against anglos, and if so, by who?
     
  8. barefooted_in_iowa

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    thank you for your response. This 'numbers game' that you are referring to is the precise definition of racial profiling. I should not have to put up with it any more than an old white lady should have to put up with it. We are all equal right? And I let them search my car because I have never had anything to do with police with the exception of speeding tickets, and I was taken completely off guard. Now I know much better. I contacted a lawyer to sue, and he told me to always ask them to obtain a search warrant. Apparently, I could win much more money from a profiling suit that way. Regardless, that is WAY more than I want to know about topics like that because I am way too good of a person to have to experience such unfortunate incidents.
     
  9. barefooted_in_iowa

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  10. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Question though is, why do you love China
     
  11. lines

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    What I am worried about is I am worried that criticism of white people as a group could result in inciting people to commit violence against whites. Whether or not the criticisms are true is irrelevant because criticism of any racial or ethnic group can lead to violence against that group and it can lead to violence whether or not the criticisms are true or not.

    White people are the only group of people being criticized in academia. All other groups are shielded from criticism. I agree with shielding groups from criticism due to the potential of criticism to incite people to violence however I think white people should be included among those shielded from criticism... especially due to the fact the whites are potentially on their way to becoming minorities.

    Historical instances where people were oppressed by people who happened to be white shouldnt be blamed in the white race, they shold be blamed on the governments and individuals enacting those policies and not the white race as a whole.

    There have been instances when people of all races and ethnicities have opressed eachother and so everyone has a hand in oppression and hopefully people of all races can learn from the past and move on and learn to live peacefully with one another.
     
  12. barefooted_in_iowa

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    They are wonderful, moral, peaceful, noble, highly courageous, responsible, caring, etc. people. With the rise of China, the world will be a much more fair place for all people.

    Read this wonderful and brave thread posted in a Chinese forum:

    http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthr...extra=page%3D1

    The thread is titled "How does it feel to be number 1 China?"

    Read the wonderful response, in particular the one by "sansukong" in which he says "Create a level playing field and prosperity for all."

    Do anglos agree with mr sansukong's goal?

    I believe that the anglo is afraid or at least very worried about China's rise
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gZvcRC8G7IwfgEFujzKGvbH9bMjwD9H3FIHG0

    The Chinese people should be a model for Blacks and Hispanics instead of 50 cents et. al. I am going to be a part of that change. You will see Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians forge unbreakable bonds. The anglo will try his age old divide and conquer strategy, but Asians are obviously too smart for this. The Hispanics are getting much better. But we all must work together as the new majority to make sure that the world follows China's vision of world peace and fairness.

    That is why I love China. Do you love China for the mentioned reasons as well?
     
  13. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    How are white people criticized in academia? Could it be perhaps the fact near all history taught in the US, Canada and Europe is white history? Yes if 90% of the people who come up in history class are white males, then probably 90% of people criticized will be white males, especially when said group has historically and to the present held an unproportional amount of power.
     
  14. barefooted_in_iowa

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    Then why is there racial profiling going on? Outstanding individuals such as myself (sorry for tooting my own horn, but it is the truth) along with MANY other minorities of every color have for the longest time been seen through the lens of the most irresponsible and worthless members of our race. Anglos have always gotten a free pass. Do you agree?
     
  15. TheMadcapSyd

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    China is an authoritarian country that monitors the actions of its people and continues to be a one party state. It still has a dismal human rights record despite the shine on it's eastern cities. China also did nothing to condemn the sinking of the South Korean warship Choson a few months ago and if anything lost out the most in the scenario, other countries were reminded of the importance of the US presence in the area. The Chinese people are not rising up(last time they tried, well, shit went down), the People's Republic of China is rising, and that's not good for anyone. Not to mention aside from the various dictators the US has propped up in the past, China is propping up more than we could ever imagine. At least our head of state isn't on friendly terms with Mugabe.

    But yes as people the Chinese are often very generous people. This comes from over 2,000 years of different culture and religion, where humility and family were stressed. However on the flip side the Chinese, as well as east Asia as a whole has always been a very patriarchal society and continues to be so in first world nations such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, east China, Singapore, Thailand, ect as well as being both politically and socially very conservative.
     
  16. barefooted_in_iowa

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    1. Yes, China does monitor it's people. Do you think the nsa isn't monitoring americans?

    2. China may be a one party state, but america is undoubtedly a one color state. Now before you mention one of my heroes, President Obama, keep in mind the resistance anglos (right wingers specifically led by rush, beck, hannity, savage, et. al) are putting up to the change that he promised and is bringing.

    3. The americans and South Koreans have REFUSED to let China or North Korea even look at this "evidence". The North was put on trial and convicted without a chance to view or dispute the evidence. The following article is titled "North Korea demands to see evidence in ship sinking" http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1069714/1/.html . Call me crazy, but in a fair and equal system the accused (North Korea) should not have to demand to see evidence. Is this "evidence" similar to the Iraq WMD "evidence"? The invisible smoking gun that only the americans and SK can see? I call chicanery unless the North and China has at least a chance to view the evidence and come to the same conclusion.

    4. China's military might is rapidly growing. They must look out for their people and they must be able to protect themselves from the unjustified anglo aggression that has been going on for 10 years. Just a decade ago the americans thought that the Chinese were at least 20 years behind in terms of military might. Now the Chinese have weapons that can obliterate the american's destroyers https://www.usni.org/forthemedia/ChineseKillWeapon.asp , their naval capacity is growing exponentially, and their most advanced fighter jet, which is on par with the american's most advanced was supposed to be 10 or more years away. But guess what????? Kudos to them for doing what no other country in the world will do and standing up to a bully.

    As I said earlier, if Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians join together, we can create peace and equality. Each group has undeniably tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and bent over backwards to live peacefully and equally with anglos. Has it worked?
     
  17. TheMadcapSyd

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    Comparing the monitoring of the NSA vs the various institutions of communist China is a strawman argument with no basis. They're entirely different things. The NSA doesn't monitor the entire country for ideological subversion for example. In 2009 Reporters without Borders ranked America's press freedom index at #20, China was ranked at #168. We can get into political freedoms, such as actual free elections, free primaries, right to assemble, referendum in many states, ect, and freedom of religion which China is sorely lacking on. Even freedom of movement, Chinese citizens are still divided into a system that classifies them as urban dwellers or rural ones, which makes life even harder for migrant workers. Though China said this year they're looking at doing away with this.

    For better or worse this is the markings of a multi-ethnic and racial society that often come to blows sometimes. The US is one of the most diverse countries in the world, really only Brazil can beat us. Economic and political power may historically and until the present be concentrated in white males, but it doesn't change the fact our culture and nation has been built up by people around the world. I don't even need to go to a major city, I can go right here to New Haven and hear numerous different languages spoken in a day and eat at restaurants representing a plethora of nationalities. Also depending on what time of year it is I'll see either the Italian, Irish or Peurto Rican flag flying under the US and Connecticut flag on the green. The U.S. is about 63% white European right now. If you count Arabs and Berbers as white(which the census does) as well as Hispanics of European descent, the US is about 74% white. China is over 92% Han Chinese.

    It was an international investigation with it's main representatives coming from South Korea, the US, Sweden, Australia and Britain that the general assembly of the UN agreed with. You can pull straws and find hypothesis on what else it could've been, but all evidence is pointing to a North Korean torpedo. Even the UN security council, along with China backing the resolution condemned the "attack", but from Chinese pressure, left out naming an aggressor.(Oh I wonder who it could be) Not to mention North Korea's history alone backs up the point
    Their military is still shit, all glossy. The US alone still counts for almost 45% of military spending, NATO along with NATO allies is almost 80%. China may now have the 2nd largest military budget, but it's still only 1/5 of what the U.S. is, and they have a massive catching up game to play. Also it doesn't take much to destroy a destroyer, they're small ships. A destroyers defense ideally lies in it's ability to evade being hit to begin with.

    Besides we're about to make the first destroyer in the world that might be able to be classified as stealth. Not only that but aside from being home to guided missiles and for carrier protection as destroyers normally are these days, this class is once again taking the dual role of naval support firepower.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt_class_destroyer

    See this sounds like trying to start a race war, as if all bad things in the world happen because of white people. First off, Hispanic isn't a racial demographic, it's an ethnic one, over 1/3 of Latin America is full or almost full white.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Latin_Americans
    Why would they join against whites? Especially considering like in the US, whites in Latin America have traditionally held a large degree of economic and political power. Not to mention 2 Hispanic countries, Argentina and Uruguay are each over 90% white, making them literally more white then some European countries. Or Asians, Asians in America have the highest average income, not whites, they've managed to do better than the majority.

    Not to mention Asians are as guilty of being racist in themselves as white people are. Look at how much the Chinese and Japanese hate each other, or Vietnamese and Chinese, and god forbid if you ever call a South Korean person Japanese.

    Let's not forget for the past 20 years China has been doing an awesome job at raping Africa for resources just like the US has been, or the current ethnic conflicts going on in said continent, ect, ect, ect, ect for eternity.
     
  18. JackFlash

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    There is this white guy on TV named Purdue who owns a chicken company. Each year his chickens get bigger and bigger. At some point is the fox going to have to worry about breaking into a hen house and being eaten by a giant chicken? If this has become the primary concern of the fox, it would behoove him to stay out of chicken houses.

    The moral of the story is simple, treat others the way you want to be treated, because some day they will be in a position to treat you as you have treated them.

    I'm sorry, but I just have to say that this is really quite funny to me. First, because hearing whites complaining about discrimination is like a rapist complaining that his victim won't stop squirming; and second, because almost everything you've said simply isn't true.

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  19. JackFlash

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    The existence of the extensive monitoring systems of the NSA will always lend them to abuse. And, because of the political discourse and fear mongering, we are only one election away, at any given time, from putting those in power who will use these systems as the Chinese presently do.


    A free press in not necessarily a responsible one, nor is it necessarily a credible one.


    If I remember the makeup of the fleet my ship traveled with, a destroyer's defense lies with the other ships around it, like the aircraft carriers and subs. Very few ships in wartime travel alone and each has a special purpose. (not to be confused with Steve Martin's "special purpose").


    I think this thread was limited to the U.S. present and future, based on past actions of whites. I can't speak for barefooted_in_iowa, but I don't take this idea of whites having the tables turned on them very seriously. Some, like lines, may take the "white wing" propaganda seriously, but I don't think the vast majority do.


    At least they're not raping the women and taking slaves.

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    Actually the majority of those groups you listed live quite well along side with Caucasians.

    Also, there is more racial tension between blacks and Asians than anyone else.
     
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