Milton Friedman Passed Away

Marijuana Reform Loses Staunch Ally: Milton Friedman

"Dr. Friedman was a lifetime dues-paying member of MPP and a strong advocate for ending marijuana prohibition,” Rob Kampia, MPP executive director, said. “He understood that the government's war on marijuana users is an assault on basic conservative values of freedom and small government. We will miss him greatly."

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Some things Milton Friedman was the first to propose were:

Volunteer military,floating exchange rate,educational vouchers,Earned income tax credit,Privatizing Social Security which many are rethinking today.

 

They were responsible. I'm glad the trade union stranglehold has been broken.

You are telling us that we are subsidising Germany's economy by buying their subsidised coal? That's exactly backwards. If they sell us something at less than cost, THEY LOSE. Not us.

I only hope someone comes along and breaks the rest of the unions in this country.

 

This is BS youre obviously a tory or some right winger !
You might like to read this account of the battle of orgreave
up to 14,000 people fought on one side or another it was a testament to the strength of felling and support
Infact I was privy to a lot of conversation by trades union shopstewards and officials that used to know my family, during and after the strike was over- In their veiw - and these were members of the T&GWU the mistake that scargill made was when the government offered every miner a large amount of money to go back to work (I think it was about an average of £4000 per miner) well what scargil did was to keep them out on strike but some of the miners went back in. What scargill should have done was to tell them all to go back and take the money - and when it bankrupted the government and they didnt pay he should have brought trhem back out !

As far as MI5 infiltrators are concerned it happens to be true - you cant be that naive as to think that the government didnt use them - there werent aany at the top level of the union - these were infiltrators amongst the workers not the officials - on the lines they started all the rock throwing and then left when the police got heavy. It was well documented and since that time I've met people who had evidence - photographic evidence but they couldnt show it unless thy wanted to be beaten to crap ! now no-ones much interested

We'll just have to agree to differ but all I know is that me and my family suffered at the hands of them criminal bastards the conservatives - and they stuffed their pockets full at the expense of the working class
and I WILL ONE DAY shit on Thatchers grave as a memorial to her !!

Just think about it - youll get it one day !
Its not about the money its about the people
If germany wasnt subsidising its coal it would have been lower grade and 3 times as expensive - the idea was if britain could force them to stop subsidising their coal by allowing policies the germans wanted to force on britain then our workers would still have jobs because our coal would have been 3 times cheaper and high grade !!!! They could have negotiated a deal and that is what the unions wanted ! but the govrnment chose to be cheap crooks about it and fill the german economy - they took the investment out of britain and put it elsewhere so the rich could line their pockets - The british people owned those mines it was a nationaliised industry - every man woman and child had a stake in that industry !
- THEY SOLD US OUT - hardly a fucking great patriotic act was it -
They did it purely to bust the unions
but never mind british workers never forgot the lesson and now none of us are patriotic In retribution we cut the inherited aristocracy out of our parliament - the peers are being chucked out of parliament for that act against the workers . Gordon Brown will go even further !!!!! just watch !!! Some labourites never did really sell out - just waited and bided their time - just remember it all happened only twenty two years ago - a lot are still bitter about it- me included !

Not really the greatest idea on the planet is it tho?? I'm sure we could think of a better way to fill those dope crop fields like with edible crops for the poor rather than people slaving away for a couple of cents a day growing shit for the west to smoke like they do in afghanistan !! and meanwile half their population are too doped up to care and they all live in poverty - get real ! While Friedman was coked up snorting it off some guys hardon, his economics were causing misery that miserable bastard wouldnt have understood - his economics were decadence against a background of desperation and ruined lives
he was out of his head on coke and wine at some over fed fat arsed party while some woman buried her starved to death kids because of him, the politicians, and his badly thought out plans

 

Actually, I vote/work further left than Labour.

But what I know is I'm reading academically citable evidence, especially about the decadent inefficency of British Coal, and you're some random guy on the internet spouting conspiracy theories. I wasn't around then, but I know which I'll put my belief in.

 

Actually, that is called dumping. Its banned by the WTO.

 

And what academy produces literature and breds thoughts against its paymaster? its called revisionism
a revised and often misleading account of history to suit the victor or those who have anyway a political will to misinterpret and misinform so that people will not think unkindly of one opinion over the other about past events

I supported the miners and I know that history is lost on those who never fought to alter the future - history was the day after orgreave - not 20 years later - History is always the history of the ruling class ! not the losing class ! its the history in the books thats wrong - not the truth a day later ! and not the scenes that were witnessed by millions but the memory written in books by right wing academics with a hand in the till of the public purse - where were the academics when the miners needed them ?
fat on feast in the dreaming spires - same as ever

 

I love the logic behind this. Anecdotal evidence is better than scholarly, peer-reviewed journals because of a huge conspiracy among academics to hide the crimes of Margaret Thatcher.

 

no to bolster opinion that she had been right and therefore exonerated
All the books say it - but you cant escape one fact ! she betrayed britain - its workers at least and threw milions of british into poverty for the sake of her friends pockets and her idea that somehow it was wrong for unions to be a political force - her government stripped britain of the family silver and sold it to the USA and Europe !
she called it thrift - we called it heartlessness
we saw that her ambition was to put workers in the predicament they were in before unionisation - and now you will be hard pushed to find anyone in this country that has a contract that means anything beyond the employer liking your face! Then we had unions striking for better conditions and better pay - the unions got women equal pay ! now you get what youre told you'll get or go somewhere else - they can always buy labour cheaper elsewhere
Now its the courts that decide who has been treated unfairly - back then the unions told them when things were unfair - you cant be a leftwinger and adopt a rightwing mindset it dont wash
either you think leftwing or you misunderstand what the leftwing is and need to wonder why you say you are leftwing!
Its like being a trotskyist and voting BNP otherwise !

 

I fall under the category of post-materialist voter - ie: I'm more concerned with issues such as the environment, education funding, equality, over economic issues.

That doesn't mean I have to support unprofitable crown corporations.

And oh yeah - compare pre-Thatcher economic growth (the years directly before her term) with the growth near the end of her tenure. She apparently did something right. Maybe not everything, but she made a hard decision and stuck with it.

 

And that makes right all the harship suffered by the millions she threw out of a job to satisfy her friends bank balances ? And it makes it right because now the world is a good place ? Just thank your lucky stars you probably wont be working as a manual labourer somewhere near the minimum wage in crap conditions cuz theres no union and remember the guys that fought for the decent principle that a nation is its workers AND its leaders - whereas she had one thing in mind - SELL EM OUT ! theyre threatening our powerbase !
that was all it was about matey but apart from that spooner
I do respect the fact that at least you have an opinion that is fair
its a conservative one but a fair one for a conservative
gotta admit you outlasted it and I'm run out of steam
but I hope you got out of that just one thing - the amount of vehemence that woman caused the sheer sentiment of aggression and violence toward her policies that we had ! because it was that aggressive it divided the country that much and caused that much anger !
it really did - especially when - like I did - we had family at those battles !
people batoned by the police on horseback - orgreave wasnt a picket - it was almost open civil war - and is often written about in that way
a poem about orgreave by a mining sympathiser

from the guardian 2006
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1864176,00.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Orgreave
A photograph of thatchers union policy

 

What exactly were the police supposed to do? The strike was technically illegal, and the strikers also severly beat and intimidated scab workers. Not to mention killed a taxi driver.

 

what we are all supposed to do - the right thing - i cannot see how any police officer that batoned a man to the ground could sleep at night - and their were women battered by them - The police could have chosen to disobey - after all - nazi war criminals were tried on that very same principle !
I do not doubt that in practice it would be hard to refuse - but at three seperate incidents I have seen over the years the police use brutal and frankly cowardly tactics against people - I do not say the people at the top know any better - they are merely using their ignorance and biggotry to sustain them but the police that lived in and near those pits should have sided with miners and stayed away - and if they lost their jobs so be it - but no-one forgave a single one of the police in those communities that previously they were part of. They were spat at in the streets and hounded out and I for one am glad !
When I posted that picture in the last post I made I looked at it - and it made me remember with a lot of sadness - deep sadness that it all really happened - it was awful truly awful - it ruined men, families communities - towns ripped apart and it was a human tradgedy I cant forgive ever !
the memories of those days came flooding back - the utter astonishment at the brutality of thatchers state was immense and it was vile
a good reason for it and probably the real reason is here
in that guardian article -

the police say that when you deal with the police you dont have to respect the officer - its the uniform you must respect - but I say if thats the case then I will never respect that uniform and will never respect a man or woman that wears it ! and never have done since that day and because of it ! I will show them common decency but never respect !
one of the proudest moments of my life was having my photo taken with miners who had battled hard to stop the trucks at orgreave and listening to them speak about their part in that battle and what it meant to keep the movement going at a fund raising eevent for them and their families and others and to listen to one of their wives in tears on a stage telling what it was like to get no money from the state and have no income - they were heroes to the working class and all this bull about what thatcher did is in books by people who dont give a daamn what happened to the miners but what happened to thatcher

Strangely enough

 

I had the shit-kicked out of me by two officers while I was handcuffed at seventeen. Doesn't change the fact that they are a legitimate extension of the government.

The strikers were no more moral than the police officers. Is dropping a huge cement pillar on a cab (killing the driver) carrying two strike breakers to work morally better than charging in with batons waving?

 

no and I am not glad about that! That was the only point I ever doubted my conviction
about the event ! but its not really equal since that was merely a criminal act caried out without any legitimate reason and without any political force except against their own argument - so truthfully it was a barbaric outrage and I feel sory for the taxi driver and his family as many did ! the people that carried that out were inexcusable idiots !
but in truth it is not comparable since it was not union policy - breaking peoples heads open was government policy - criminal and I belive the top levels of police that carried that out should have faced jail too !

I have to say that it is a fact that that taxi drivers family should be compensated from the money the government stole from the union - they should give them at least a couple of million out of the 5 million the government stole !

gallery of miners strike pictures
http://www.strike84.co.uk/

 

You know, right now in Poland they mine coal and lose money. Wages are a fraction of UK wages yet they still lose money. And the one time in like 15 years the state owned coal mines made money, the miners threatened to strike unless they got a share of the profits. It is completely crazy.

That's why I'm glad maggie broke the strike, broke the unions, and killed off this ridiculous industry. If it weren't for her we would still be dumping money on unprofitable coal mines because some people think they have a right to a job for life that everyone else subsidises.

 

You think you have a right to stay warm. Well some people have to go underground and take on the risk of caveins and black lung. Why should the companies that run this operations not be prepared to take on risk and compensate their workers a fair wage. Profit as the top priority, is fine if you're in the top percentile. Some of us work for a living, others are only interested in their invested dollars making a fair return.

 

Anyone who says unionisation is wrong is talking out their arse or have never had to work in dangerous conditions. My dad actually fought hard for people who had lost fingers and limbs because the company had not provided adequate protection on machinery. - The companies were fobbing those people off with a few months pay - my dad pushed fr and got proper compensation for those people 10's of 1000's of £ not a couple of hundred.

SomePeople who were getting paid half what their colleagues were being paid for the same job (women for example) ! In the UK it was largely the leftwing who forced the issue of fair pay for women and within the union movement that idea gained ground rapidly. Before Thatcher there wsnt a workplace in the country without adequate toilette facilities for workers - now theres place we hear about where workers have to use a bucket that they empty of a night time - theres people working in absolute filth to produce your goods cheap
Suggest you go find a job in a coal mine so you can see the risks on a daily basis

I think you may be getting confused - I think the state may have wanted to nationalise them but the miners wanted to co-opt them in a partnership with the state where the miners take a percentage, or co-opt them privately - where the miners make the profit like they did at several UK mines several years after the strikes !
Whats wrong with them doing that - they work work to get the stuff out the mine - not some ponce in a suit up at their government HQ

If its not chunks of rock weighing several ton that'll kill you its the gas and lung diseases or the huge cutting machines and conveyors- and when you get a large amount of water in a mine conditions are really terrible

 

Yes, coal mining sucks. So why force taxpayers to keep money losing coal mines open? You don't have a right to mine coal. If coal cannot be mined profitably, get another job. Don't tell me to pay for your right to mine coal at a loss. Why even bother? Why not demand the right to get paid for doing nothing?

 

Why force taxpayers to pay for a war that wasn't needed, why bail out airline companies that experienced a loss during a time of emergency, why institute interest charges to protect banking and stock speculators? We let the poor during Katrina suck it up while the petroleum companies were subsidized.

Why push a bill through the US congress that protects private companies like Blackwater and Haliburton from legal action when they misbehave by committing crimes against civilized man.

 

As to the benefits of unions you can go back even farther and see that they prevented the continuing use or abuse of child labor. Want to go back to those days, well we actually have we allow the use child slave labor by our "multinational" corporations, because we turn a blind eye and pretend it isn't happening.

Organization of labor and the little man allows for a voice in world politics to outlaw it is to allow only the monied interests to have a voice. Why is their voice less important than that of the wealthy.