Men and women being “equal”

And just how intelligent do we feel doing these things? It's very data-entry-ish and requires very little experience and no degree.


Can she take pride? Yes. But perhaps not there. Not in his shadow.

She can be a great mother; and society stands beside that to a certain degree - soccer moms and all. Maybe she'll host a cool party...


Executive? Compensation?


Usually not. That. That's the issue we mean.

 

No CEO has equal compensation . If you were my CEO you would be poor as me , or if not , I suppose you would share .

 

Right on. More or less true. Unfortunately, religion(any religion) has deemed that women are subservient to men.

 

Wrat1

Again i think it has been established that to me in the context of this thread equality is about in law and pay and treatment - I'll ask again - what is your definition of equality in the context of this thread?

 

Wrat1

It is about what we think of as been unfair (or fair) a baseline

As said how someone views what is unfair can be up to the individual and says a lot about that individual and that is why I set the questions

Is slavery in your view fair?

Were women not having the vote in your view fair?

Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

Is voter suppression in your view fair?

You refuse to answer the questions (some 6 or 7 times now) - i can only assume that that is because actually you do think these things are fair

That you don’t care or could happily accept slavery and people been disenfranchised or getting unequal pay - I'm guessing that is if it was someone else but not you.

 

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Men & Women: Jewish View of Gender Differences (aish.com)
Gender is a pivotal quality in each person's identity. Men and women are fully equal but different – and that difference is good. With their own unique talents and natures they can give to one another and help each other along the road of life.

 

Question - what is your definition of equality in the context of this thread?

LOL - So you answer is you don’t know and can’t be bothered to think about it

 

Wrat1

Yes but -

Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

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Thing is, as my wife has just commented, someone like yourself who can't seem to bring themselves to say they think slavery is unfair is unlikely to care if there is pay discrimination based on gender.

 

Or I am not going to change the definition to suit you

 

Wrat1

LOL - but what is your definition in the context of this thread - are you able to give one?

I mean is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

 

Yes we're equal in many ways, but there are subtle differences for instance at work in the kitchenette/break room/ coffee machine/ women far more often use equal than men.

 

this is my definition of equal
Equality | Definition of Equality by Merriam-Webster (merriam-webster.com)
1: the quality or state of being equal

it does not change that is it

if bob and bobette are hired the same day to do the same job and they perform the same way they should be paid the same.
rarely in life does such a situation play out though

 

Somewhere along this thread a left turn was taken from the OP. My intent was getting views on men/boys being allowed to play in women’s sports.. being allowed in their bathrooms/ locker rooms etc

What it turned into was women getting paid a same salary.. how slavery took place.. how women weren’t allowed

We don’t have slavery... women can vote.. drive a car and walk beside... not behind her husband... we have learned from the past but don’t need to dwell on it.

As a woman, I don’t want to be equal to my husband... we both bring our individual talent to the table... we work together, not compete against each other.
Every woman has the opportunity to apply for the same job... that doesn’t mean we deserve the job... and data shows women take more days off per year than men so I have no problem with less pay.
But back to the original post...it says volumes about a man that wants to compete in women’s sports.. not letting a female have their own sports and a man that has to compete against a woman to show his superiority.

 

What does it mean to mischaracterize trans?

I think when we say that a trans-woman (mtf) is - as you put it, "compete against a woman to show his superiority" we are making assumptions about CHARACTER, not to mention misgendering.

So, do we mean to call into the light the credibility of trans-women or trans-men? Are their motives convoluted? Do they lack personal integrity?

I'm hoping the answer to all 3 questions is no.





Trans folk who I've encountered have made it their personal conquest to live as honest & transparent people - it's almost their ethos to be true.



And I feel like your thread is anti-trans, and transphobic. One member I know is openly trans. She would tell you the same, but I won't tag her because it feels dox-y.

 

Also, this is the political forum.

 

Balbs

I believe everyone should have equal opportunity. In a real sense, not a government sense which forces inequality as some kind of reparation for prior forced inequality.

I believe under the current system everyone has the opportunity to excel at that which they'd like. Putting extra burden on the smart people who made good choices to support dumb people who make poor choices is not only unfair and unequal but also disincentives self improvement and accomplishment. It's probably a large contributor to the civil unrest we increasingly see lately. I honestly don't see where you're coming from that everybody deserves the same reward regardless of their personal efforts and risks. It's really bad thinking. And it hurts the very people who you think you're helping with this convoluted take on reality.

 

Wrat1

So it's a matter of a fair price for a fair amount of work - but if consistently the bobs in the company are getting paid more than the bobettes for doing the same job and for the same outcome is that fair?

However what you seem to be saying here is that you just don’t believe women can do as good a job as men (that rarely in life does such a situation play out)

 

Women

Well i did ask you some questions that you didn’t answer which might help if you did answer.

Not sure what you mean?

What is your definition of equality - to me it’s about in law and pay and treatment?

In what way do you think men and women should be treated unequally?

Again you would need to expand on this – I think men and women should get the same rates of pay for playing the same sports for example why are you opposed to that?

 

Women

Slavery and women voting came up in relation to what people view as been fair or not and how that can effect what someone sees as fair and unfair going forward

Not everyone learns the lessons of the past or even wants to.

As i’ve stated people had to fight to get equal rights because while some people thought things were unfair there were those that didn’t.

There is social and political unfairness going on today that some people don’t wish to acknowledge or don’t wish to change.

Why don’t you feel equal to your husband or want to be? I mean do you feel inferior to your husband? On balance you think he is more important than you? Or are you saying you feel superior to your husband?

My wife is my partner - we might do different things and have individual talents but i don’t see her as less equal and she doesn’t feel i’m superior, as you seem to be saying with your husband.

Why wouldn’t a woman deserve the job if she was qualified for it? Are you implying you think men are more deserving?

So even though you might not take more days off per year than the men you’d except less pay because you believe other women do?

Also I went looking and found this comment on such a surveys -

Although women were absent from work more frequently, it appears that men take longer stints of absence. On average, women take 14 days of sick leave per year while men typically took 16 days. Experts are predicting that women are more likely to throw a sickie not for themselves, but on behalf of their children. If kids are ill or sent home from school, mothers are thought to be more likely to take time off to care for children work than fathers.

It has also been calculated that while women have increasingly entered into the workplace they still end up doing the majority of the unpaid work such as housework, childcare and care for older people.

So according to the World Economic Forum women work on average 39 more days a year than men.