Medics want obesity warnings on clothing...

The Body Mass Index can't be interpreted as it is. It's simply Weight V. Height. You could be muscular and appear to be "obese" on paper because of the BMI rating. It should only be interpreted by a doctor, and even then it's really useless. What is most effective is the underwater weighing method (I can't remember the actual term). Also, there is the BIA test (bioelectrical impedance analysis). I've done this one myself. The mechanism (scale, handheld, patches, etc.) sends an electric current through the body and it actually slows down in the fat and goes faster through the muscle and other tissue. By doing this, it can estimate how much percentage of the body is made up of fat, given your weight and height. It can also tell you how much weight of actual fat you need to lose. Point is, there are lots of methods of determining body fat, but it's no one's business but the people who choose to go that route. With smoking warnings, I have nothing against them. This is because smoking harms those around you. When someone wants to eat an extra hotdog, or eat a bag of chips, or sit on the couch and watch the game, that's their choice - they're not hurting anyone else.

 

True the BMi is a very rough way to assess health. But the cases you mention are much less common. And if your BMI is over 30, then you're likely to be obese then a body builder who has huge muscle bulk. As for weight not hurting anyone else, that may be true as long as the public isn't having to pay for you ill health. The problem in the UK is that we do pay for the NHS and I think it's not a bad thing to remind people of the need to maintain good health and not be a drain on the system.

 

lol. you didn't read any of this, did you?

 

on paper, in that formula, someone who's highly muscular and fit might come out with an inaccurately high bmi. i always did. now i'm actually fat, but it was aggravating when i wasn't fat to have a bmi of 33 when i was so damned fit.

 

Yeah, we need MORE goverment controls on shit.

The goverment is SOOOOOOO efficient with everything they do and NEVER influenced by big business (like, say the corn syrup and dairy Industries) that I am sure this law would work just wonderfully to reduce the amount of people who are overweight. (PLEASE note HEAVY SARCASM.) Not to mention (and I am not beins sarcastic) that some people are overweight and NEVER eat any junk foods. There are other things which cause overweight than just diet. There is no reason to treat people like small children with no self regulation skills. Our Goverment does enough of this.

I can eat small amounts of food like this, stop when I want to, and not gain a pound. I do not want the fucking govement tellling me what I can eat or where in the store it is dislayed.

Don't want to buy your children candy at the checkout? There is a wonderful word in the English language. NO! I tell my kids this word every time we go shopping. Ain't that hard. I don't need the GOVERMENT to ban candy, or junk food, because I can control both my own and my children's intake of it. I can eat ONE cookie and walk away. Don't punish everyone. I don't want laws telling what I can eat or where I can eat it.

Sugar should not be a Controlled substance. I LIKE it. I can eat it occasionally in moderation, and there is NO reason for the Goverment, of all people, to get MORE involved in what goes on in MY body. Even if I were overweight, I STILL wouldn't want the govement to tell me when, where and how often I could eat what I fecking well wanted.

 

Yeah, but, love, you can't even find your panties half the time. My point proven. (punches KC playfully on the shoulder)

 

lol. yes i did. i read all of it.

i know a lot about nutrition and health. what most people consider "health food" i won't touch. please explain to me how a person could eat what is healthy for them in healthy portions and still be obese (NOT muscular or chubby or whatever, obese) even without exercise. it just doesn't happen. all the fat people i've known who thought they ate normally ate twice as much as they needed to, of all the wrong stuff. you can blame it on whatever you want, but it comes down to choice. if you don't want to be fat/obese/morbidly obese/whatever shape you are, there are SO MANY ways to figure out why you're not losing weight, or if you've never tried, there are so many healthy ways. it's a choice. it should remain a choice.

 

well, my baby brother is a perfect example. he's a surfer, a lifegaurd, cyclist and a natural athlete. you can see a picture of him in my gallery. he's been on a special diet for adhd. and yet, he's got a sluggish thyroid. my mom has the same trouble. but they didn't want to medicate, since he's still really healthy, just fat. now he's shot up nearly a foot in 7 months time.

 

A size 12 is not fat and what about us tall girls? I wear a size 10/12 but am 5'9 and 140-150 pounds and my BMI is in the lower normal range. I would be grossley offended and refuse to buy clothes from a manufactorer who told me I was medicaly overweight when I am no where near that and hardly ever overeat.
I saw some naked pictures of my self from last weekend and was damn happy with how I looked, if society is not they can shove their idealistic views up their boney ass.
ps-there is nothing wrong with being a size 2 either. As long as somone is not anorexic or severley obese I don't understand why we can't live and let live man.

 

I'm the same way KC. I run, hike, play a mean game of volleyball yet I will always have baby fat because I naturally have a fuller face and larger breasts. I'll always be this way unless I starve myself, which personaly I do not particularly enjoy.

 

i know why i'm still fat. i was a teenaged stuffer. i got over that years and years ago. i haven't been an overeater or even a junk food fan for many years now. my problem now is not eating but once a day, in the evening. that's kinda messed up. i have no energy, i have no metabolism. i've been eating more regularly, but getting used to eating again is kinda hard. it messes with my head, makes me feel funky. but it's worth it. i've been shedding some weight, finally. but it goes against everything people want to think about fat people, people like to think all fat people are face-stuffers and big mac addicts sucking down sodas 10 times a day. it's simply not true. yeah, there are plenty of those, too. but some of us are still getting kicked around for something that was once out of our control.

 

I bet you support restrictions on cigarettes though.

 

yeah I went through a similar metabolism problem because I broke my arm and got overweight and then got mono and got underweight and then I would look at food and gain weight. I realized just last week that no one and no scale really finds me fat or unattractive but me. I just have to watch myself because I have a sweet tooth and can hibernate for days.

i am quitting drinking alchohol for at least the next three months and I am curious to see how much I will drop as I easily consume 7,000 calories in alchohol a week, which is 2 pounds a week. When the doctor explained that to me the other night I was like fuck the threats of labeling me with an addiction the caloric count is enough to turn me off of drinking.

 

KC, I have the same problem now that Moire's been here. I eat once a day, after 6pm, when I make dinner for Brian. Because I have no time any other time of the day. I've got a kiddo on my hip, errands to run, and no energy. And it sucks.

 

well, and i spent kai's whole gestation on strict bedrest. then there was severe and medicated post partum depression, then there were two moves. then, i started getting healthy and shapely again, so i decided to have another baby. i've been a chunk ever since. hell.

btw, you're moire is about the cutes baby i've ever seen. what a DOLL!!!!

try to take care of yourself. us mom/women tend not to. i'm trying. take care of yourself and you can take better care of your angel.

 

yeah, i have to say, i LOVE beer. i'm irish/german. WTF?! it's in my genetics. however, i take pride in the fact that even though i'm not a calendar girl, i'm still pretty popular with the lover types and i'm in ridiculously good health. my bloodwork, my internal workings, etc, are obscenely healthy. it's all cosmetic at this point.

 

I love beer too man and chocolate martinis, the nurse told me those are made with heavy cream...I thought alchohol calories didn't count. I mean you drink them.

Ah well we got big tits we can pull it off.

 

haaaa i knew you were gonna throw thyroids at me. not literally. lol. underactive and overactive thyroids, i believe i've read about something that could help them... i don't remember what... that's what i meant by figuring out why you're not losing weight, sometimes, you're right, it's not because someone is eating way too much. i guess i included knowing your own body specifically and doing your best to keep it going as well as possible as "eating healthy". but still, if a person really wanted to lose weight, all the resources, all the information, everything, is available. maybe the problem is that people really don't know they have the power to change their own bodies, because we trust doctors so much to take care of us...

i used to be the obese people's advocate . in health class i'd get in debates in their defense, because of certain things that can keep a person from losing weight, that aren't their fault. but the more i learned the more i saw that those things can be changed, i guess. but it doesn't make it easier.

i don't want to argue, because honestly... i've never weighed more than 110 pounds, and as much as i have read and as many health techniques & whatnot i've tried myself, i have no idea what it's like to try to lose a really significant amount of weight. so no matter how accurate i am i'm still talking out of my ass. i'm sure those big lifestyle changes are easier said than done. my point, i guess, is that it's possible, it's not something you have to just be stuck with.



anyway to be more on topic, i cut off tags of any type from all my clothes anyway, sooo i don't actually care what my pants say to me, whether they call me a fatass or tell me to go eat a pancake.

 

my thyroids fine. i'm just fat. so "thyroids" were not thrown at you. they are a valid reason. watched a fat girl in my junior high class blossom into a gorgeous svelte beauty within 6 months of treatment. there's also people who got huge for physical/emotional trauma such as rape or other abuse. some people are simply food addicts. some people got fat, got over their bad habits and take a few years to get it off. they didn't get fat overnight, they're not gonna get thin overnight, either. but someone jumping their ass because they're fat when they working hard to fix it could be a really nasty set-back on something that is already an exhausting and non-stop battle.

 

I'm not sure if this was in response to my post earlier in this thread or not...

I still think forcing companies to use better ingredients in their food products wouldn't be a bad idea...Getting rid of the crap at the checkout line seemed pretty benign to me as well..Commonly known as an impulse buy marketing ploy that is quite effective.
By all means, tell your kids no.
No, our government really doesn't need more power over the people...Fact is, they have control over plenty..
However, more restrictions on the large corporations, & big advertising is not always a bad thing.
I agree that people should take it upon themselves to tell their children why the junk food is bad, what it can do to their bodies..People should become more label reading savvy. I wish they would.