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Whoever brought this thread back to life with their moronic statement should be flushed down the toilet..
I dont understand what the hell is so hard about minding your own business about what people freaking eat. I hate people who act as though being vegetarian is the right and eating meat is wrong.. Screw that crap cause I will say the majority of you ate meat and then decided it was cool just to be vegetarian.. Get over yourself and quite acting as though you are superior just cause you dont eat meat.. YAY YOU.. you want a laminated award or something..
Shut up about it and leave people alone and quite whinning about people cause of what they freaking eat...damn...
And whoever made that stupid post about people eating meat not being able to post should really invest in some knowledge and probably a brain as well..
I find that people who are vegetarian are the biggest hypocrites in the world and dont bother replying with anything cause I wont bother reading it cause its a waste of time and spread your propaganda somewhere else..

 

I only skimmed this thread (it's hella long). I've often wondered though as a vegetarian why the mere mention of "I am a vegetarian" will set some people off like a powder keg. No youre wrong or not wrong, no I'm better than you, none of that just the simple statement. Some people (not all) who eat meat just get ballistic at the very idea of someone else making a different choice. As a vegetarian I can say with brute honesty I am not a hypocrite, I've never once shoved my beliefs down anyones throaghts, I've never thrown fake blood at furs, I've never well the list goes on... I have been told I'm screwed up, I'm going to die from malnutrition, people who don't eat meat are pussy's (lol at that one considering my background, I love it). I too can engage in fighting arts

But, I guess the coin could be flipped as well. While I understand the passion of some people I too am offended at veggie-elites. Some i've met are hippocrites out of ignorrance (nothing like watching someone who claims to be hardcore vegan eating a big bowl of jello, or driving a car for that matter) I don't like holier than thou crusaders as much as the next person and pretty much don't associate with them. The last thing I want is to get all riled up just before lunch because somebody I'm around decides to get in somebodies face over their lunch. In the end it's just about my personal choices, my karma, my life and my choices to spare the life of another.

But still why are some people so blasted ANGRY at the idea of someone not eating meat?

 

No one is wrong.
No one is right.

You all must understand that everyone is DIFFERENT, and it doesnt matter what you try to say or do, but people are going to be who they are and not give two shits what anyone else has to say about it---or how it's "wrong"

Man people.... different strokes---tis what I keep saying.

Let people be themselves...eat what they wish, believe what they wish...etc.

It's obvious we all love to debate here...but honestly, I think some take it too far, either offensively, or being to offend -- Debate is good-- makes people think--- but as for putting others down in the midst of it, doesn't make for a very good debate.

What is the point of a debate if you aren't learning anything?!

 

Um yeah...pretty much with what Shroom said.

I eat meat. I have vegan friends and family members. They don't ever try to force their diet on us meatheads, likewise, we make sure that there are suitable vegan/vegetarian options for them at parties and holidays.

I didn't encounter the veganazis until college and I knew instantly that they are nutters.

The veganazis are much like religious fundies. their way of life(in their own mind) is the absolute way that EVERYONE has to be and they don't shut up until the entire world is converted.

Think meat is cruel and gross? Don't eat it. Live your lives, don't wear fur or leather, only use natural organic products. But don't shove it down my throat. I don't wave steaks infront of you or kick puppies in your front yard.

Veganazis, please do the world a favor and just admit your hypcrisy.Unless you live in a natural cave,naked,eating moss off of rocks...your very existance disenfranchises animals.Your very existance contibutes to millions of animals. It's not your fault, no one is blaming you, you didn't ask to be born human in the 21st century. So get off your highhorses already.

As for Ideological(or whatever the hell your name is). You are a repulsive,disgusting,thing..barely human. I haven't heard that much hate-speech and ad-hominem attacks since that last Osama Bin Laden video. Your self-loathing has reached certifiable status.I suggest a therapist...quickly..maybe some happy drugs.

If you believe in eugenics...I suggest you follow suit by sterilizing yourself, and then before you become a burden to the rest of us(ailing or aged)..please kill yourself.

There nearly 7 billion people on Earth and you are one person too many.

Hows that for eugenics?

 

moss has feelings too.......................

 

No, you are quite mistaken. In that post, I did not say that you are "horrible, wrong, immoral, unethical, selfish and ignorant", instead I was simply explaining why lots of vegetarians, (the ethical ones, at least) such as myself do NOT eat meat. Again, that is why WE don't do it. There is a huge difference in that and what you said. Like somebody else mentioned, we all have different opinions about ethics and morals. I'm not trying to change yours, but instead, I am stating mine. If you don't believe torturing an animal and eating it is wrong, well, that's your opinion and I can't change it, nor do I try. I respect everyone's right to choose. All I ask if that you, likewise, respect MY right to choose.

This is exactly what I am referring to. I get crap all the time if I happen to tell someone I am vegan (also, I am not very vocal about it - I only mention it out of necessity) If I choose not to eat meat, don't chastise me about it. I don't want to hear about how I'm wrong and I certainly don't want to hear you justify yourself. I, likewise, don't want to justify myself to you either.

Well, obviously not. If you're allergic to soy, you simply don't eat tofu. This is true for all allergies, however. If you're allergic to peanuts, you don't eat them. If you're lactose intolerant, you avoid milk. This is common sense.

As for all the comments of hypocrisy, you do have somewhat of a point. It is impossible to be completely 100% vegan, but that does not mean that I can't try to do everything I can to reduce the suffering and exploitation of animals. Also, why do all meat eaters use this argument? You eat the animals, so you obviously don't care. I may not be a perfect vegan, but I'm doing more to help that cause than you are, and to me, that is all that really matters.

 

i know exactly what you mean. some people are just senseless pricks, i.e most meat eaters....

 

ohhhhhhhh BURN! chalk one up for the veggies....lol....

 

wish i didnt have to 'burn' anyone and im sure the meatheads are too numb to realize this or even begin to absorb it but unfortunatley its pretty true. they seem to always have bullshit remarks ready for vegetarians but it doesnt even phase me anymore. and i know some of them can be really good people sometimes, but their just hurting themselves essentially and their just going to have to grow it out in their next lifetime i guess.

 

Eating meat makes your penis bigger

 

well, i don't torture my animals before i eat them - i usually just marinate them. yumm yummmm.....

 

so, yer gonna have to explain yerself better to this ignerant meathead, how are you telling me i am NOT "horrible, wrong, immoral, unethical, selfish and ignorant"? those are your words, saying that's why 'ethical vegitarians' don't eat meat.

i do eat meat. spent years perfecting my gravy skills.

 

Once again, I don't know how you aren't comprehending this. Like I already explained, everybody has their OWN ideas and opinions about what is moral and ethical. Some people, i.e. meat eaters, don't think eating meat is unethical, and well, that is their choice. Other people, i.e. vegetarians who decided to stop eating meat for ethical reasons, think that it is wrong to eat an animal. To me, eating meat is "horrible, wrong, immoral, unethical, selfish and ignorant" but I can't expect you to share the same opinions as me. We all feel differently about controversial topics like this, and that's how it will always be. All I am saying is that I decided to become vegetarian and ultimately vegan because I could no longer justify eating an animal, and I didn't want to support factory farms.

I hope that explained my comment a bit better, but just to clarify, I don't think all of that about people who eat meat, I think that me doing it myself is wrong, and so I choose not to participate in it, and that's it.

 

Well there is cruelty in the animal husbandary business, but free range animals are generally better off than their wild counterparts. At least they get food, water and are looked after and die a more humane death. This contrasts with what happens in the wildwhere the animal gets chased to the point of exaustion and then being torn apart alive . See also
http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61805

 

the point i was making in the first place is that you said "the majority of vegetarians don't actually have that attitude that we are better than you."

so it's just my opinions that are horrible, wrong, immoral, unethical, selfish and ignorant. not me. perfectly clear now.

 

you are essentially torturing, okaying and promoting the torture of them along with a handfull of other really fucked up things, did you even read the beginning pic of this thread?all this to me justifies not just a vegetarian but anybody calling you greedy, immoral and uninformed. i havent read this whole thread but i did read your last 3 posts and i will say it doesnt look like you have an opinion at all about any of this, except that your gravy skills are 'perfect'.

if you have an opinion and would like to debate, feel free but your just wrong is what it comes down to no matter how much you bullshit yourself. its like trying to argue that the sky isnt blue when your trying to argue the meat industry and you supporting them is a good thing, good luck with that one.

 

I enjoy it, so kill me.

 

I one a met a vegan who actually disliked organic growing of food. He actually advocated using the nastiest chemicals for fertilizer. I showed his information sheet to a biodynamic grower who also turned his nose up at the idea and agreed with me that synthetic fertilizers would be far less damaging to the soil than things like potassium chloride.
This is the quandary of being vegan is that if you want to eat organic, you are indirectly supporting the animal husbandary business.

 

I agree, no more meat to be slagutered, the original fall of man.
After all, our star brothers and sisters never touch the stuff.

 

what kind of nonsense are you on about? i once met some relatively intelligent meat eaters, so what? theres exceptions to everything but the truth remains the same, the vegan diet is far superior to the omnivore one in so many ways...and most vegan people tend to be much more intelligent and healthy than the omnivores who have been eating simply what theyve been told to his entire life.