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lol I really have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe sometime tomorrow I will come back and go to page 9, but I haven't even taken a shower and I want to get wasted.

The reason that I put an emphasis on the word reason in my last post was to empasize another definition of the word.

I don't think love is physical, it is psychological. If you want to talk about sex, talk about all the smells or genetics you want. Kant (and I'm paraphrasing here) describes love as good will, affection, and promoting the happiness of others and finding joy in their happiness. Read all about it in his Lectures on Ethics.

 

Well, that would be a valid argument, but meateaters have a huge detrimental affect on life on this planet. It's not like your actions have no consequences for the planet and other humans. If you do care about the environment, then you'll attempt to curb your consumption of meat. If you don't, then that is sad but many don't.
Animal rights activists care about the well being of animals. If you have a pet, then you might understand. You cannot blame them for trying to spread vegetarianism, it is an attempt to keep animals from torture.

Do you also have a problem with antiwar activists? They try to spread their beliefs....is it OK only when humans are the victims?

 

In comparison to whom?

What about your actions buddy? Why not eat that diet which is truly natural, that of an omnivore? The vegetarian kills just as many (if not more) than the omnivore.

lol, yeah, right.....I see you have an extensive knowledge of the animal rights campaign....especially with regard to the main American proponent...pETA.

Torture? Do what? Where does this exist in everyday ownership?

Wait, dude tell me you are not equating the life of a human with that of an animal.....please tell me that.....please......

 

or dudette...whatever...

 

Vegetarians or vegans obviously.

Vegetarianism is perfectly natural. You're very wrong about your second statement. I grew up on a farm too so don't try to feed me a bunch of lies.

And I see you don't. You needn't be part of a campaign to promote animal rights. I have joined no such group. I converted a few people to vegetarianism just by discussing the matter. I never forced it upon them, in fact, they questioned me about it after learning that I was a vegetarian.

You misunderstood. The two statements were not related. I was saying, if you own a pet, you probably like the animal and care for it. Why are some animals appropriate for eating, when others are nurtured as pets? I implied that if you have a pet or have ever had one, you can relate to the concern for animals.

They are not equal, but animals do deserve rights. They deserve to be free from torture and slaughter. It's simple. I don't buy into the notion that we are vastly superior to other life forms. If you do, then you must have also established a hierarchy within the human species. Are the disabled less worthy of rights, are the mentally disabled, what about infants?

 

Oh, and btw, animals DO have morals. For instance, many animals that live in herds, packs, whatever, wouldn't leave a wounded member behind.If a herd of wild horses has a wounded member, they'll slow down so that it can keep up.Lions, wolves, and other animals will take turns babysitting their young, female wolves even NURTURE other's young. *Occasionally`* a pack of wolves may accept a 'lone wolf' into their pack When a wolf is sick, others will still share food with it,etc.etc.

Just thought I'd have to add that on.

 

Oh I see. Vegans, they don't cause any problems, none at all......

lol who said I grew up on a farm? Because of our physical charasteristics anyone with half of a brain can reason that we are omnivores. Sure, we can survive on an all veggie diet but could the same on an all meat one.

I know as much about pETA as I want to know....it's rots your brain you know...reading that stuff. You said animal activists care about the well being of animals, that is a very broad statement. How about thousands of mink being turned loose to die in the wild (where they have no experience) just to make a POINT.

Hell I don't know....who cares? I've had quite a few pets, heck they probably eat more meat than I do. That omnivorous dog.....you know.

They are obviously free from torture, that is a bad claim. Are sure you're not from pETA? Slaughter, well I don't think that should ever end.

First you say, you don't believe that we are superior to other life forms, and that it follows that if I do believe that, I must have created that hierarchy thing. That dog won't hunt.

 

Good one. Now all you have to do is prove it.

 

I think animals are moer innocent than humans. I don't think animals deserve to get eaten, especially in this kind of system (treating them like objects, pumping them full of chemicals), and it is the evil humans that do it to them. Now, cannibilism, on the other hand, I'm sure many vegetarians have thought about it before.

 

What? Are you talking about reference sources or something??Sites? (most of this I learned while reading books and documentaries.)
specifics.

 

Sure, provide some references.

 

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/morals.html
http://www.kerwoodwolf.com/SOCIALLIFETHEPACK.htm
http://canis.tamu.edu/wfscCourses/Concepts/Packard9.html#Bi-
http://www.wolf.org/wolves/learn/intermed/inter_human/whyedu.asp
http://www3.gov.ab.ca/srd/fw/wolves/social.html
http://www.horsemagazine.com/CLINIC/M/MCMIKEN_DONALD/mcmiken_part1.htm

 

I cannot understand why people who love meat (and flaunt it!) even come to these forums. I thought Hipforums was for peaceful people who love the earth and its creatures.

Nothing bothers me more than a self-proclaimed "hippy" who ignores others' pain and suffering.

 

^^^ damn, this thread has been dead for nine months - here we go again...

 

This is a free speech forum. Not an exclusive I'm better than you cos I eat tofu and make love to cows party....

 

I apologize if someone has already made any remark similiar to this but i have only read until the 4th page and something someone said really caught my attention and kind of pissed me off.

They mentioned something about chickens deserving to die because they might not be as intelligent as us. Personally, I think that that remark was incredibly ignorant and disrespectful. Have you ever met a severally mentally disabled person? Many would say that they do not have the same brain capacities as most people in the world do, but does that mean that they deserve to die as well? Many non-human animals have shown that they could actually have stronger brain capacities than young children and many of these disabled persons.

If the answer to my question is no, could that not be justified as specieism?

 

Raving Sultan, the majority of vegetarians don't actually have that attitude that we are better than you. We simply understand that treating something else so incredibly horribly and killing it for it's disgusting flesh is wrong, immoral, unethical, selifsh and ignorant (the list pretty much goes on and on) Also, we do not "make love" to cows. Not only is that disgusting and disturbing, the majority of us are vegetarian because we love animals.. so why would we want to hurt and exploit them by doing that? Furthermore, tofu is a wonderful and versatile food. Perhaps you should try it before you knock it.

 

tofu isn't wonderful or versatile if you are allergic to soy......


also that killing animals is ignorant bit, I agree that it is ignorant to not know how your animal is killed, ignorant to not know how your meat got to you, but if I kill an animal in a "reasonably humane way" (i.e. not hanging a 1000 lb cow from one of it's spindly legs, knocking it with a club, slitting it's throat then butchering it thile it may still be drowning on it's own blood)
then I cannot imagine it is being ignorant, I know exactly how my meat gets to me, even if I ate "cruel" meat it wouldn't be ignorant because I know, I cannot say the same for others, but I'm certain a great many other meat eaters here also know how their meat gets to them......


ignorance is a lack of knowledge you choose not to know

I don't think that not knowing what the cow had for his last supper should count against me, but ignorance should not be a convenient label applied to someone simply because they eat meat,

also wrong is a relative term.....

something may be wrong in your ethos, and not in mine, I'm okay if the animal was not made to unduly suffer and none of it was wasted


you think it's wrong if the animal dies to feed another person at all I suspect....

 

don't be an idiot. just cuz a person will eat chickens doesn't mean they think retards deserve to die.

yeah, i said RETARD - how politically incorrect. but that's what my brother was the whole time we were growing up and i was defending him from jerky little narrow minded twits.

 

ha!!! yeah right, you don't think yer better than us? in this post alone, you have said that i am horrible, wrong, immoral, unethical, selfish and ignorant. you are possibly worse than horrible, wrong, immoral, unethical, selfish and ignorant?

soy products make you fart.